I'm not sure our tackling was that bad(accepting what happened in the last 10 mins)- We had sets where we held them to 20 and 30 metres from there line- Where we seemed to struggle was once the line was broke we couldn't adjust- Both of there first 2 tries came from breaks we broke down but couldnt stop the next wave.

That was a real bad loss for several reasons.

Ellis was excellent, we lost direction when he went of, Ward did about 70 mins of hard graft, Clubby looks better at centre than in the past.

No point me going over all that's been said again but just to agree with most of it is the easy way.

On the Randall/Ellis issue for who goes where when eliis goes of. Well like most here i don't no what game RP's watching but by now he must see what we the fans see that Nick the Greek is a forward but sure is no Hooker. I try to count how many times the forwards had to stop their runs because he was to slow at the PTB, he gives knocks on from that position so many times due to his size and having to bend down for it.

Why cant he if hes going to spell Ellis move Randall to Hooker (like we ask) and then have Bailey move to SO and if he has to have Nick the Greek in the 17 on the bench then bring him on at LF.

On Jamie C and his knock on which lead to the Hull try. I sit up in the Disabled Balcony and this happened right in front of me. Yes he should have made more of a jump for it or at least got the Hull player, but TBH some of this blame should fall to Pryce as well he was stood in front of Jamie he make to go forward and then just stopped and left it at last minute to Jamie C. IMO Pryce should have called and gone for it as he is twice the size of Briscoe and could have got the ball alot easier then Jamie C.

A couple of thing which worry me is the fittest levels, and playing Randall/Purds for the full 80 minutes. If RP going to rota Ellis then maybe he should when he bring Ellis back on be swapping him for Randall to give him a rest and the same said for Purds, i noticed RP rests Baliey when maybe its Purds who needs it more.

Going into the Bulls game some hard choices are going to have to be made. He cant mess with the team to much. but if Golden is fit then he needs to be the bench and if hes not then maybe Melling drops to the bench (he can cover most positions in the team even Hooker) and have Calderwood on the wing. I wont say if he had been there in place of Melling when he got held up or he would have scored it,but you cant help feel that the odds would have been more in Calderwoods favour if it had been him there.

If none of these choices are available then maybe bring back Ben Bolger/Krasniqi or even take a chance and blood young Tomas that a few others have talked about on here and seen play. I would say Mellor but i dont think hes come back from Wigan or even coming back so the final option would be Sarginson,but as i dont know much about him i will see what others have to say about him and if they feel he ready for the step up to the first team.

Krasniqi out for about 3 weeks with rib cartilage damage suffered in the U20's

For me the major turning point in the momentum was Burnett's pointless and needless penalty. At that point Hull had only progressed about 20-30 metres in their previous couple of sets and were looking demoralised. Instead penalty given and before you know it they were up the over end scoring and getting some belief back.

Quins do also seem to concede some very easy tries. At times it's like the defence just opens up and invites the attacking team to walk through untouched and score. Completely baffling.

I couldn't agree more with the original poster. I am often exasparated at how we give away stupid penalties, but the two yesterday made me livid. I trust Rob has made it clear that there can be no excuse for letting everyone down in this way.

I had a similar experience with a mate saying that it was a chance to help our points difference. He said the same thing at a game last year that we then went on to lose.

Forget blaming Pryce (who I'd have thought is about as close to playing first grade at Wigan as I am), Randall et al. I blame Duncan Disorderly!

I think it's already been said by so many, 30 - 16 with ten to go, the game should have been wrapped up, and I thought we can put last weeks Warrington result down to being a blip. Clearly I was wrong, our defence for those last few minutes appeared non existant

Colly/AlanW, Jason Golden is out a while at the moment, three weeks ago he said he said he had a broken pubic bone. Before yesterdays game he said it is now a disease of the pubic bone and that he is on a six week course of alternative therapy and doesn't know if it's going to be successful

It was 30-16 with 22 to go, if it had been 10 we would have hung on.

Yes, under the high ball, Jamie wasn't that great, you cannot fault his work ethic, he constantly goes in field looking for the ball, he's just like Sharp, KP, someone who's 6th whatever really should of been contesting those high bombs, or at least try to provide some cover for Jamie as he attempts to catch it. Personally, I don't care if KP stays with us or goes back to Wigan, I haven't seen anything from him that makes me want him to stay.

Someone mentioned Clubb moving to right centre, he didn't move to the centre position, Clubb moved into SR when Pryce came on for Bailey(?), and Pryce took his place at centre.

On another point, I hope Hull get rid of Long at the end of the season, and bring in some quality at half back, they were relying on him for direction, and kicking on the last, their kicking was woeful at times, and only put in one good kick the whole game. Hope Hull all the best for the rest of the season

J o'C was safe as houses under the high ball apart from one if my memory serves me right.

Pryce and O'C are as bad as each other in defence. O'C does well enough in attack.

One peculiar moment I recall from Sunday was when Kouparitsas' shirt got completely ripped to pieces in a tackle. He went to the bench and pulled on a new shirt and several dozen people in the posh seats broke into a ripple of applause. There was argument on here last year about whether or not players deserved to be applauded off the field at the end of particularly poor performances - but applauding someone for putting on a shirt? That's ridiculous!.

We noticed that as well

I can only remember him dropping one too. He's pretty strong bringing the ball out from deep in our half but he does need to attack the line with more a lot more conviction. He had a golden opportunity near the line in the first half but seemed slow to react and then took the wrong option IMO. Improving though.

Dave Williams played for Featherstone against Halifax on Thrsday evening. The first time he went near the ball he and a team-mate had a nasty collision resulting in Williams breaking his nose quite badly on his team-mate's shoulder. He played on for around another 30 minutes bandaged around his face "A-la Andy Farrell" a few years back. He had lost the bandaging, but was sporting two partial shiners at the Stoop on Sunday afternoon. As to whether he is back with us, or just having a weekend away from Fev, I don't know