Not sure what to make of this. Part of me thinks that second spells are rarely as productive as their first and I don't honestly think he's developed as a player [ithat[/i much since leaving us. On the other hand, we're plainly unable to compete for the big australian players, so maybe its a case of making the best of what we've got.

Can we stop pretending that either HP or Scott Hill are 'organisers'. Neither is or has ever been a first receiver. So we don't necessarily require a first receiver to replace either of them.

HP isn't as such but Hill is the main organiser of he whole side. He dictates play.

You are utterly, utterly wrong. All his career Hill has played outside an organiser - Kimmorley, Cronk, now Orr. Hill doesn't guide the team around the pitch, he chooses when to inject himself at second receiver. He will touch the ball around 3 times less than Danny Orr does and around 5 times less than Chad Randall.

Yer exactly, he organises the ATTACK, hence injecting himself at second reciever. Attacking kicks, passing movement etc.

HP and Hill are key decision makers and they do organise the side by choosing which direction our attacking play will go. It doesn't really matter if they don't play at first receiver, they are players who team mates look to pass to when a decision needs to be taken.

Dorn is a running standoff, it's very nice watching him intercept and run in long range tries, but he's not going to guide the side around the field. As a player he is not as good as HP or Hill, no matter how much fans like him (and I do like him), so he's not going to replace the undoubted talents those players bring to the side.

How about Orr at 6, and Dorn at 7?

It wouldn't inspire great confidence in me. I'd rather have McLinden at 6 and Orr at 7, with Jon Wells becoming first choice fullback. Purdo at loose forward and a genuine ball handling second row to replace HP.

Totally agree, although of course in an ideal world I would rather have McLinden at fullback, A N Other at 6 and Orr at 7 with Wells as a utility back.

We need pace in the halves.
He knows the set up here.
He's done well in his time here.
He's cheap?

Sounds good to me. The Orr/Dorn combo was a thrown in question, to see what ideas would come out.

Let's resolve this.

Dummy halves and first receivers guide the team around the pitch. The dummy half and first receiver move the team from tackle 1 to tackle 5 when the team is coming out of its own half. HP and Hill have very little to do here.

Second receivers play a larger part in directing the attack when in the opposition half. HP occasionally has a role here, Hill often does. But Orr and Randall (Rinaldi) are still the keys. If you don't believe me, look at the try assists stacked up by Orr and Randall and compare them with Hill and Paul. I doubt that HP even rates on the radar here. To sum up, Hill is often a 'go to' player but only when HRL are on attack in the oppo's half. But organisers do the tough stuff too - they guide the team away from its own line early in the tackle count.

Luke Dorn. The lad has a fantastic turn of pace and a decent right-left step but he also creates tries for others. Again, check his try assists against Scott Hill's. Dorn is ahead I think.