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Quote: dotti "The saddest fact is - all this is a complete duplication of everything that has been said for at least the last 20years.
There will never be a 'rugby league culture' in London (unless we survive 80 more years maybe)so that makes it extremely hard to push the idea. The staff have not grown up into RL - they have been appointed to a job. Which they do to a greater or lesser standard, for a paycheque. They may love RL - or think they do- but they dont have and can't have a yearning to bring the game to as many people as possible. The few passionate staff people are not involved in the bums on seats side, they are cleaning up after the team or in David's case working their socks off in several jobs. It is always going to be Supporters who do the shouting about it.
Does anyone know if the team still go into schools to do assembly and health and fitness tallks? That was very useful a few years ago when we were at Brentford. And the local forum idea did work but it needed good will from the club. Tony Rea was very good at going to see supporters but I doubt Brian Mac sees it as part of his remit, given his previous attitude.'"


Spot on, unfortunately. There is very little being done [or not] that has not been tried before and in the main by various supporters groups over the years.

The only possible difference now is that we do have [in theory] a stable home base so the community within a radius needs to be continually reminded we are there, There is no quick fix for this other than repetitive drip drip marketing, I have always thought it would take a minimum of a decade for any community to begin to adopt a local sports team, especially one that is "alien" to them. This does need to be a long term view coupled with short term initiatives to keep crowds growing slowly year on year. Families are the key to the long term game as it need to be ingrained in the psyche.

The RSG suggestion with local supporter reps is a great idea and is probably one that could work given, as Dotti states, engagement from the club. The only main reason for anybody to turn up at one is the opportunity to meet players.club staff, and senior staff members to take and answer questions, if that commitment dissapears after a few events [as before] then the obvious happens.

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Quote: Homer "Spot on, unfortunately. There is very little being done [or not] that has not been tried before and in the main by various supporters groups over the years.

The only possible difference now is that we do have [in theory] a stable home base so the community within a radius needs to be continually reminded we are there, There is no quick fix for this other than repetitive drip drip marketing, I have always thought it would take a minimum of a decade for any community to begin to adopt a local sports team, especially one that is "alien" to them. This does need to be a long term view coupled with short term initiatives to keep crowds growing slowly year on year. Families are the key to the long term game as it need to be ingrained in the psyche.

The RSG suggestion with local supporter reps is a great idea and is probably one that could work given, as Dotti states, engagement from the club. The only main reason for anybody to turn up at one is the opportunity to meet players.club staff, and senior staff members to take and answer questions, if that commitment dissapears after a few events [as before] then the obvious happens.'"


Even tougher with us as in the past we would bugger off as soon as we started to put down roots so there is a barrier in our way as people think "why bother"

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: dotti "The saddest fact is - all this is a complete duplication of everything that has been said for at least the last 20years.
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Yep......and everyone who has said it must have been wrong...because we're doing fine as we are icon_eek.gif ......I need to go and lie down for a while fever.gif

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I left the club after seventeen years because I was sick of being treated badly by certain members of staff and because I despaired of the club ever really making any headway.

It took a great deal of soul-searching for me to walk away as the club had been a big part of my life for a long time. God, I even wore the gold Broncos tie-pin in my suit lapel at occasions all over the place! I came to the conclusion that the club would continue to plod along as it would always survive its occasional financial crises but that London as a connurbation was indifferent to rugby league in general and professional RL in particular. Add to this indifference that the club has never made a penny in profit and has been under-capitalised for significant portions of its chequered existance and you can see why it's in the state it is. It attempts to fight with one hand tied behind its back.

Ultimately only a sustained and large spend - particularly in marketing, advertising etc - and being in a position to challenge for honours will make a difference. Do I think it will work? Not unless things change big-time but I doubt that will happen so no. London as a city is sold on football mostly with anything else playing second fiddle (if it's lucky). Sorry to be so pessimistic but the thing doesn't work and probably never will...

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Quote: gutterfax "..
Interestingly, all of these papers will have pretty empty sports sections between July 4th (end of lions tour) and August 15th (start of wendyball)....I wonder what sports we will see championed during those 6 weeks?'"


Ashes Tour

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I dont know nothing about marketing or would pretend too.

But on the Hudd's matter and their crowds. I think i read and all so im sure it was reported on Boots 'n' All as well. That the Hudd's owner who also owns the Football team as well put his money in to offering deals for Football and Rugby season ticket deals at very reduced rates, something like a 99 pound season ticket. but dont know all the details on it. Plus and again im not sure if they did what we did a couple of seasons ago of kids under 16 get free season tickets if Adult buys one.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: hindyscrack "Ashes Tour'"

I rest my case! Waited for a nibble and along you come icon_wink.gif
The Ashes.........YES...a mighty plus to win, but let's face it, Australia ain't what they were and England are what they normally are.......crap.
So, what we have is 100,000 odd (I GO TO GAMES)London based soccer fans who will either jump on the other 11 a side bandwagon, or will point the figure and say "I can't understand why Roy of the Rovers bothered with cricket" icon_cool.gif
IF the club are going to attempt to get fans through the door, then the 6 week period I alluded to is perfect. Not only is the sporting "action" thin on the ground, so are punters and media traditionally offer "deals" during the holiday period.
As for a winning team......we have played 3, won 2 and lost 1 in a close finish (that we should have won) IN SUPERLEAGUE.....not exactly a losing streak. The CC was unfortunate, but Huddersfield v St Helens in the final would have a different outcome to last time.......Hudds are no mugs!
Let's just up pegs and leave it then shall we. As I pointed out, we have a 40+ age group as fans...........so let's just buy our Harlequins Carpet slippers and shuffle off icon_rolleyes.gif
I would love to see the BUSINESS PLAN that the company have icon_cool.gif...I doubt it would take too long to read...especially the marketing section

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Paddock Punter "PB has been in the job for what 3 weeks!!!! Hardly likely to put a 1000 on the gate in that time is he. Printed media ain't interested in RL - Sunday Times yesterday had NOTHING (other than the results) of the CC - even with the massive Leeds Saints game to preview.'"

True. The apathy is patently obvious, so let's not bother. I am sure if we all collectively shrug our shoulders then by 2012 Ass-Ociation Football will be the only sport in the UK......and Union will be allowed on holidays, because the Editors of most papers were bu99ered in Public School by the U11 first XV coach icon_rolleyes.gif
Not having a pop at you PP......just responding to the apathy that seems to run through long term fans of the club as well as the club itself.
I choose to be a Harlequins RL fan and therefore, I chose to take the rough with the rougher, but I am not alone in being close to the edge. There are plenty of fans (some on here, most not) who have raised concerns regarding ticketing, only to be pretty much ignored by the club in general. We used to be a club, but we are now a business (ie...the customer has no say), so why should we be expected to keep coming back?
Discontent over ticketing, stewarding, kick-off times, marketing and the seating of home fans where they don't want to be.....does it get any better than this?

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"Yep.....because Easter Monday getting back to TW2 at 10.30pm has failed hasn't it"

Don't be silly - that can be included in a Sat/Sun afternoon game. God knows what route you are taking to be back at 10.30. We were back from Hudds in a minibus that was restricted to 62 mph at 10!

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Two good wins over Easter and the world will look a lot better, two defeats and it will be a long summer.

To quote Nietzsche " If you look into the darkness long enough, it will start looking into you".

Please every have a bit of balance there are a lot of clubs that would be happy with our position in the league, but not many would be happy with our crowds.

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