2011 and 2012.
Income NOT from David Hughes or the RFL = £1,040,000. This is commercial (shops and sponsors), Matchday and Season Tickets.

Fans in attendance over the same period of 2 years = 77,000

Each fan who attended a HOME game was worth £13.50 each...........

2009-2010 same maths....each fan was worth £15.50 each......

He's lost us nearly 40% of our fans and also devalued the worth of the ones that are left by 12%......all in just 3 years.

define too expensive to get rid of?

Is he on a deal, say 3 year or 5 year etc? That was the question. Do you know,
Like when Brian Smith signed a 5 yr deal at Parra and they wanted shot of him after the second year, they kept him on another year as it saved them around 200,000 by paying him out the following year.

GF, you're just spouting figures and pointing out again, his failings.

IN MY OPINION....I very much doubt he is on anything other than a rolling contract, if he is anything other than an "employee" of the club, but if he is on a term deal (3 or 5 years) then it is undoubtedly the best bit of business he's done since he was let go by the cricket lot

If your opinion is correct GF, then I can see why you ask questions on why he's there. It doesn't mean I agree with everything you say at present about him, but he hasn't set the world on fire. (I await cheeky responses to this comment from many) And also why you ask questions of who employed him and why. A friendly tip is that it's just the amount of times you say it appears to be wearing thin.

I'm also aware about the problems not having a definitive answer until December has caused so many problems with recruitment. So it snowballed.

I'm still one of those people that are grateful we have a club, however we got there. And will blindly follow them as that's my team.

...unlike his skin



I too will wander over the cliff "lemming" style following them and their results, but as you are aware, I will not go quietly

What were Broncos rental, staff and marketing costs in this period?

Cost of Admin, Marketing and Ground rental was £2,124,944 over 2 seasons.
The input from the RFL was £2,927,817
The input (covering of losses) from David Hughes was £4,052,441

If you're going down the "we've reduced the costs/overheads" route then good luck with that.

It costs £4,000,000 a year MINIMUM to run a competitive SL standard team.....we are £2,150,000 short of that after the RFL money this year.......in 2012 we raised less than £550,000.

There are no "quick fixes" and cost cutting to the extent carried out by the club in late 2013 is short sighted and short termist.

So the Hive has taken on the equivalent of over 1.1mil costs per year. I wonder whether the rent, ticket sales plus RL money covers that.

We will have to wait and see.

4 million to run a SL club........we need to find 2.15 million from other sources.........historically, those other sources have delivered 600k at best.

BTW, the hive have not taken over 1.1 million of that. The Hive are paid rent and admin costs by the broncos and a marketing stipend by the RFL.
The Broncos still have an expense related to rent and admin......total ticketing revenue in 2012 was 322k.....we lost 21% of our fans in 2013, so that was down to 255k last year.....200k for commercials at best......it doesn't add up unless you are getting ready for the lower divisions!

Why would I care how much it cost to run a RL club? You've convinced me that Broncos are unsustainable and Hughes has said in a recent interview that he's had enough of propping up the club so there is no future.

All I'm interested is how much costs the Hive have taken on and how much money they can potentially make from Broncos being at the Hive. As I see it Broncos have shed 1.1mil of costs onto the Hive. Whether the Hive choose to spend the same amount as Broncos did if a different issue, I doubt they will as if they did then I doubt they would make money from the deal

which I don't think is too dissimilar to the thoughts of AK in regards to 2015 and beyond.....which dove tails nicely into the question that was asked by email but not answered at the forum.

"What is the long term strategy for London broncos as a professional RL club and have plans been put in place to cope with relegation (should it happen) and the reduction in funding that comes with it"?

Given your knowledge of RL and the Broncos management what do you think the answer to that question is?

TAKE YOUR PICK...

What's Strategy?
What's a Plan?
There's relegation this year


What's a "reduction in Funding"?

...OR QUITE POSSIBLY, ALL OF THE ABOVE

If you view Broncos as an elaborate tax dodge and not a professional sports team then David Hughes is a misunderstood genius.

Without wishing to go all Gutterfax on you all the 2nd Salford fans forum drew 2000 fans, the 2nd Broncos fans forum drew 50 fans.

There is nobody involved in our club with any hunger or drive to grow the support and sponsor base and it's a big problem.

Mainly because it was held at a time when Gus would only have to front up to happy clappers.

There's too much going through the motions and not enough push. I want to see what the bloke at Bristol did at the RLWC selling 7k tickets to mostly locals in a non-RL area, or the bloke at St Albans that sold 700 tickets for the RLWC semis on his own, or Martin Vickers at Salford who is just pushing and pushing everything.

We just hold a fans forum and hope people turn up, or occasionally give some tickets out to a junior club.

Dont think paddock would be happy being called a happy clapper!
club are damned for not having a forum and now they are damned for having one!
timing of the forum was so gus would not have to face many, intersting concept it was around the time of day and on the same day we play games, when would have been better?

They definitely were right to hold it, but maybe a bit of enthusiasm to get people to attend would have been an idea?

Were you their?
I agree more folk would have been good, but not everyone wants to be involved in that sort of thing, they just want to watch rugby

No I wasn't there. They didn't sell the event to me well enough. It sounded a bit dull. Unlike the Salford day which sounded brilliant.

So you would happily have listened to the doc witter for half an hour? What did you want fireworks, dancing girls, hoola hoop performers. You cant really complain about the numbers if you did not come yrself just coz it was not sparkly enough for you.

50 fans at London, 2,000+ at Salford and you'd prefer we didn't discuss numbers

What's the source of your 2,000+ ?

I doubt you'd get 2000+ in this room at The Hive and also trying to figure where Salford hosted this Q&A in front of 2000+ fans if not in a stand at their ground. But if Hemel weren't playing the Broncos 'Select XIII' on the same day I'd have been down and made it 51 but in all reality I just want to watch the rugby.