Hard to be optimistic after the second half of last season. But we do have 7 or 8 young guys, some of whom just could come good. Robinson and Williamson have to be more effective than last year (please!). And none of the players we've lost was of any great use towards the end of last year.

But it's still hard to be optimistic.

Downers are that we don't have a real right centre, our halves probably aren't good enough (Orr will struggle for fitness and Gale needs to come on fast - maybe Ellis will play at one of the half-back positions?) our coach seemed at a loss last year to fix things that were going wrong, Bill Peden's replacement is an unknown quantity. And I worry about Purdo's fitness.

If everything goes right, we could finish as high as 5. If a few things go wrong, we could end up at 14. Probably about 11.

Regret to be of the view that QuinsRL are in for another poor season in 2010 and if we have a spate if injuries the squad will be unlikely to be even within 3 places of vthe last play-off slot!!

But will 'forcast' 10th at best.

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Still don't think Ward is good enough anymore, LMS and KT, well they speak for themselves, obvious quality. James, no one knows anything about him, and Dave, he's good in the reserves, but can he step up? He just reminds me of a better player than Grayshon, but many people are better than Grayshon, guess we just have to wait and see.
And Haggerty at the beginning of the season was great, Hecks had his good games and his bad games.

Because of injury, this might be why it was bad come end of the season? At the beginning of the season, some of the players we lost were playing good, then they got injured and we fell down the league like no ones business.

I suspect Leeds and Quins have quite different "targets" to achieve success. Would 8th for example be failure for Quins?

Salford were (slightly) better than us in the second half of the season even after they stopped picking Myler. But no, I don't know what they've done with the money since.

Not aware of them doing anything with it yet.

A lot of the players we've kept weren't of great use towards the end of last year! Obviously it's down the coach to weed out those he feels have served their purpose and rejuvenate those he feels can come again.

I can't understand why Robinson seems to be one of everyone's prime scapegoats for the decline; he barely played during the losing streak, starting only three of the last twelve games including the only victory. If he continues to be so injury prone (I think he had five separate absences of varying lengths) then he will become a liability, but if anything I feel he's one of the least culpable. I felt Williamson's form was good during the first half of the season and his subsequent decline was something of a barometer for the entire team.

Possibly so, but the point I was making was that those who've gone aren't going to be much missed.
I'm not scapegoating Robinson. To be honest I hardly saw him play because I missed most of the early season games. But if he ain't playing, as he wasn't when I was watching, he isn't effective.

I (as a bit of a closet Manly fan) had high hopes of Williamson but I don't think he performed well at all (though I didn't see much of his early season play). When I did see him, he seemed to mistime many of his supporting runs resulting in a lot of dropped ball, maybe not his fault but he wasn't combining well with team-mates. And he became a penalty machine defending PTBs.

Sorry, I was being a bit flippant. None of the players who've left us has joined another SL club (unless you count Tony Gigot, who never actually played in SL for us) which pretty much proves your point. I don't think the squad looks any weaker than at this stage last year

Haggerty is still a SL prop, I would argue Heckenberg is also, no offense to Cook who i have no idea on how he plays, or Dave, but these two on their days could be very good.
So i think we are much weaker in the forward front