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Quote: northernbloke "Not really sure where the sharing with a football team comes in, the reason Bath have to take the temporary stand down is due to use of the land and the cricket pitch. The land they play on has restrictions as to fair and equal use, unlike Trailfinders. So pretty sure any temporary stand at Ealing would need approval even if it was to come down after use, I have no links only word of mouth from Ealing residents with links to the club, it has been discussed with the local authority and is an option.
For the superior sport I doubt even a temporary stand would get us to super league standards, so either an exemption or our nomadic existence kicks in again. Realistically do we need a 10k stadium? No! A 5 k maybe but would the RFL accept that?
FWIW could never see Bath RU sharing with Swindon Town'"


Groundsharing with a football club is seen as a problem due to tv coverage even though half the league were groundsharing. any club wanting promotion were not allowed. Exeter had the urinals measured at their ground(22 cms apart apparently) the rfu tried their hardest to stop exeters promotion. As for Bath the rec wouldn't pass the criteria so I assume Swindon is their nearest option.
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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg
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Quote: Chipwhite "Groundsharing with a football club is seen as a problem due to tv coverage even though half the league were groundsharing. any club wanting promotion were not allowed. Exeter had the urinals measured at their ground(22 cms apart apparently) the rfu tried their hardest to stop exeters promotion. As for Bath the rec wouldn't pass the criteria so I assume Swindon is their nearest option.'"

1. Bath are a mid to upper table side and I doubt will be relegated in the near future.
2. They are in the early stages of designing a new stadium within the current UNESCO heritage site and knowing how Union "greases wheels" I can't see them facing much opposition.
3. Surely the ETRU/Broncos have already contacted the council to sound out the process for applying for temporary seating?
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Any new stadium in Bath at the current ground would have to incorporate mobile stand similar to what they currently have. That is what the plans include. They will never get permission for a permenant stand in the current location, that field has to be multi sport.
If Bath moved out of the city they would most likely go to Bristol not Swindon.
It’s only word of month so sorry dog no link for you, but already shown I don’t make it up, but contacts in Ealing with links to the club have said the temporary stand issue has been discussed, and approved, not sure of the size or restrictions.
For the middle 8 games broncos could have had a temporary stand but decided it was not required.
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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg
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Quote: northernbloke "Any new stadium in Bath at the current ground would have to incorporate mobile stand similar to what they currently have. That is what the plans include. They will never get permission for a permenant stand in the current location, that field has to be multi sport.
If Bath moved out of the city they would most likely go to Bristol not Swindon.
It’s only word of month so sorry dog no link for you, but already shown I don’t make it up, but contacts in Ealing with links to the club have said the temporary stand issue has been discussed, and approved, not sure of the size or restrictions.
For the middle 8 games broncos could have had a temporary stand but decided it was not required.'"

Thanks for the update on Bath. I feel that they'd never be "banned' from re-entering the Aviva on the basis of a temporary stand.....they get 14k at home as an average and they got 60k to Twickenham on the road.......if there were bigger clubs waiting to step up, then maybe, but I don't see them as being refused entry.
I'd hope that if we continue as we are and look set for the 8's, that the club announce that if we go up, we are staying put....
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Good article from Gavin Willacy
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It is staggering though that nobody really knows what the RFL are discussing for next season, let alone what it is likely to be. Effectively freezes any planning for Championship clubs.

The TV rights for a super 8 type system are signed over to Sky to 2021, so suspect there will not be a big enough consensus of SL clubs to force a change. Interesting times.
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Bath is a strange one, when they talked about moving to the outskirts of the city with a new perpose built stadium there was up roar. But the current ground they have to keep one side open or available to be open as the playing field use has to be multi sport. I can’t see them moving, but agree with you the rfu would never bar them from the top flight.
But for us, I think the RFL need to be realistic, we are a long way, a long long way from 10k crowds, a 5k capacity is all we would need. I would love that to be Trailfinders (even if it is a wedding venue at the mo) to be able to play multiple games on one day is paying dividends I feel.
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I think part of the sky deal was competition, and that means winners and losers! That includes demotion, like it or dislike it, if teams place in the top flight is guaranteed then you get to the point where games don’t mean a lot apart from pride in league position for teams at the bottom.
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Quote: northernbloke "Bath is a strange one, when they talked about moving to the outskirts of the city with a new perpose built stadium there was up roar. But the current ground they have to keep one side open or available to be open as the playing field use has to be multi sport. I can’t see them moving, but agree with you the rfu would never bar them from the top flight.
But for us, I think the RFL need to be realistic, we are a long way, a long long way from 10k crowds, a 5k capacity is all we would need. I would love that to be Trailfinders (even if it is a wedding venue at the mo) to be able to play multiple games on one day is paying dividends I feel.'"


In the unlikely scenario that bath did get relegated they would have to pass the same criteria as all other clubs chasing if they made bath a special case there would be all sorts of legal action flying about and I can't see where they can play in Bristol think the memorial ground is to be a supermarket soon.
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27000 capacity stadium in Bristol at Ashton gate is pretty adequate I would have thought. And a better option than swinetown.
But then again it’s kick and clap so who really cares.
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Bristol and Bristol city already play there. That only leaves Bristol rovers which seems to be left in the unknown.
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It’s. Yawnion who cares?
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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg
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Quote: northernbloke "It’s. Yawnion who cares?'"

Adam Pearson does :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg
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Quote: northernbloke "Dog, quote as many numbers as you wish.'"
Thank you. Numbers are a factual statistic that can't lie. They do not impact on your opinion, but in this case, they do show that whilst we have stagnated, they have grown by 120% in terms of fans in attendance.
Quote: northernbloke "It’s yawnion I really have very little interest in the game.'"
20 years ago they had fewer fans, no TV deal and nothing more than a domestic competition......now they absolutely dwarf us in all those areas including TV audience and income. We should be interested in learning how they have done this.
Quote: northernbloke "I have an interest in Bath only because I lived there.'"
Nice place......
Quote: northernbloke "Who is we?'"
"we" is the RL fan collective that decry anything we perceive as "against us" be that the BBC, the RFU or anyone else whilst refusing to accept we are masters of our own destiny and architects of our own downfall!
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Yes and they went from being an amateur sport to a professional sport.
Q have the overall gate figures for RL gone up in the period you mention? Think even your figures show that the teams that are still in the top flight have increased numbers therefore not stagnant.
Who on here has tried to say anyone has anything against us? Certainly not me! I don’t like watching yawnion, but I don’t knock anyone that does!

Learning from RU “we” as a collective can do nothing so “we” can learn nothing!

“We” follow a sport that is played by different rules in different countries, and another set of rules internationally, until that is sorted the sport will never be taken seriously by the general public.
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