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Meanwhile, Quins coach Rob Powell said: "I thought we were pretty good in the first half and unlucky to go in behind.

"The second half we didn't get the response we were looking for.

"I'm not a 'lack of completions' type of man but 53% for us against 93% means you give yourself no chance of winning the game."

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Quote: tim "I heard from a player that Kaufusi(sp?) may actually still be coming, but we'll see.'"



And which player would this be??? icon_confused.gif

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So we are paying a player on loan a £100k+ salary? icon_lol.gif

I'd have words with your source if I was you...

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Quote: tim "I heard from a player that Kaufusi(sp?) may actually still be coming, but we'll see.'"

I have serious doubts about that "news item" from Nosey Parker, But I did watch Kaufusi playing for the Knights against the Warriors this weekend. Commentators said that he was still looking for a contract and he played like it. On that form he'd be a big positive for us. Made one massive tackle on the Warriors monster winger Manu Vatuvei and dislodged the ball - unfortunately the ref decided he'd run out of the line too early and gave a penalty against him.

Big guy he certainly is, but there must have been 5 or 6 Kiwi/Polynesian forwards playing (both teams had them) who were bigger than him -this one for example: tvnz.co.nz/rugby-league-news/ta- ... an-4352259.

Oh, for a couple of those guys IF they can be motivated.
Quote: tim "I heard from a player that Kaufusi(sp?) may actually still be coming, but we'll see.'"

I have serious doubts about that "news item" from Nosey Parker, But I did watch Kaufusi playing for the Knights against the Warriors this weekend. Commentators said that he was still looking for a contract and he played like it. On that form he'd be a big positive for us. Made one massive tackle on the Warriors monster winger Manu Vatuvei and dislodged the ball - unfortunately the ref decided he'd run out of the line too early and gave a penalty against him.

Big guy he certainly is, but there must have been 5 or 6 Kiwi/Polynesian forwards playing (both teams had them) who were bigger than him -this one for example: tvnz.co.nz/rugby-league-news/ta- ... an-4352259.

Oh, for a couple of those guys IF they can be motivated.


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What are the rules for overseas RL players to be granted work permits?

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Quote: markrammond "I am sorry but I cannot accept that Rob Powell was uninvolved in the selection of either the 2006-2010 squad or the 2011 signings, he has been here six years and was an adviser and indeed the most senior coach after McDermott left before becoming Head Coach.

Olly and Andy Ellis were ok to sign, Olly wanted two years, Andy did not want to go either, they weren't waiting on Wakefield on the off-chance of a licence, that I can assure you - that would be ludicrous.

I'm told by a source connected to one of the players that Rinaldi, Korkidas and Colbon are coming.

I'm told Matt Cook is the second rower - he can't get past last year's two dream team second rowers, whom are contracted at Hull KR so there is no shame in that. The other player is an Australian, not sure who this is but I would take a punt on Chris Armit.

Cheers
Mark

ps I'm not sure where are the promised marquee signings - Gower might be plausible at a push, Witt is also in his prime, but I would be expecting at minimum two current State of Origin players / England internationals to claim that.

pps I have it on good authority that Dorn, Randall, Gale, Bailey, Howell, Pryce and Purdham are on six figure salaries (£100-£125k) and many other players are within £20k of this e.g. Ward, Temata etc. My understanding is that we spend approx £1.35m. That would make sense when you see how thin the squad is, silly contracts taking close to half the cap. We apparently are within £250k of the cap but you can judge for yourself the value derived.'"

Mark , your posts are usually very good but in reply to this one , three months ago i was told that Purdham had bought a house in Cumbria and was leaving at the end of the season .At the same time i was told Gale, Wilkes and Ellis were all looking to leave for clubs up north. How can you say Ellis wanted to stay when he had a decent contract offer on the table for five weeks but refused it . I agree it wasnt wakefield he was waiting for to come in for him but thats who he has ended up with . One last thing i can assure you is that your good authority on the players salaries is so far out you should sack him ...

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Quote: Dave Lister "So we are paying a player on loan a £100k+ salary?
Well, if the CEO is going to announce on London Radio that he is going to sign "Marquee players" I would expect that this means players who are pre-eminent in their field.

I wasn't expecting Darren Lockyer but gained the impression that players would be noteworthy or distinguishable and would have played several times in the past couple of years for Great Britain/England, Australia, New Zealand, Queensland or New South Wales. Alternatively a very highly sought after player or two would arrive at minimum rather than someone with just Widnes and Quins courting them.

I suppose it is all relative - after all Dan Sarginson is currently our marquee player icon_smile.gif

Cheers
Mark

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Quote: Prince of Denmark "He said the player was on a six figure salary. He didn't say our club was paying [more than a fraction of] it!'"


Yes that's right. Karl Pryce went to RU for big money, then came back to the high-spending Wigan, that is what his salary is. I'm not sure what proportion we are paying, but it will be significant.

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Dear Irish Quin,

You have to remember that players have a 'market value' that will be established when they both have the opportunity to negotiate and ideally for them at the high point in their career and it is unlikely that they move for a big decrease.

To give context, players like Sean Long in his prime at St Helens and Matt King were on over £200k per annum. Look now at St Helens players outside the top 15 it is all youngsters, no senior reserve squad members at all!

Let's imagine that our junior players, whom mainly share houses to save money, generally numbered 18-25 are on a mix of salaries between the £25k minimum and and £30k, this would be no more than £200k for these players.

This would give about £1.2 million to be shared amongst the 17 first team players, so simple maths gives you £65k-£70k as an average.

Now let's look at the situations of each of the players and where they have previously negotiated.

Karl Temata - over £80k - signed as a world cup player from New Zealand Warriors - has had at least two contract extensions, so at least three career negotiations, in his prime a tremendous defender, would have been able to move which would have increased his salary

Danny Ward - between £80k & £100k - a former GB international and Leeds/Hull KR regular, he would easily be on a salary that exceeds £80k

Rob Purdham - over £100k - a former England international and world cup player who has re-signed for Quins when out of contract and a current world cup international, he'd be justifiably the highest earner

David Howell - over £100k - a former St George and Canberra Raiders first choice player under contract when signed (which pushes up the price) and when he was scoring close to a try a game and there were rumours Wigan wanted him, he was re-signed at his peak value

Karl Pryce - over £100k - a former Bradford, Wigan and Rugby Union player - has already had at least two very lucrative renegotiations in his career, not sure how much we pay him, but lucky for Wigan they got Charnley and Goulding through and we were desperate

Luke Dorn - over £100k - one of the highest scorers in Super League with over 100 tries since 2005, would have had many contract negotiations with his standard one year deals, he would easily earn this

Chris Bailey - over £100k - a former Manly Sea Eagles and Newcastle Knights first choice player under contract when signed, he would not have left an NRL contract on the cheap

Chad Randall - over £100k - a former Northern Eagles and Manly player, whom woulaid have been highly sought after in 2008 and again renegotiated at his maximum value

Luke Gale - high wages - a player on the fringes of the England set-up, released whilst under contract

Now if you are telling me that it is ludicrous that these mainly NRL first choice players and internationals are on below average salaries? I'm not sure it is ludicrous, facts are people get higher wages in most occupations until they become unaffordable in sport.

If you look at the other players, mainly loanees, these will be on rock-bottom or subsidised wages in the main.

It's like when Newcastle signed John Barnes, Stuart Pearce and Ian Rush on free transfers... they were still worth a fee but not the wages they once commanded, like Sean Long!

The only ones contentious as being over what is claimed, from a source close to David and one of the regulars, are Gale, due to a humble start, Temata (a fringe NRL player) and Dorn (played mainly for lower-tier clubs).

Cheers
Mark

PS Glad you enjoy (some of) the posts k020.gif

PPS That's why we are paying for in my view little value, we pay on historical basis/past achievement and not what they will do in 2012

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Rammo do you write this utter tripe whilst asleep-If not you need to report sick

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Quote: "To give context, players like Sean Long in his prime at St Helens and Matt King were on over £200k per annum. Look now at St Helens players outside the top 15 it is all youngsters, no senior reserve squad members at all!
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What the hell are you on about?

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