I didn't ask you to explain your POV.

I asked you at what point you decided people only qualify as a "fan" if they have an extra £1300 a year of disposable income available to put toward watching rugby?
I also asked you how much you are putting toward watching your new team?

If you're looking for a self appointed spokesman on who is & isn't a fan I suggest you speak to Ronniequin.

I may think anyone helping Hughes fund the club is an apologist (at least by default) but that's a different matter entirely.



Considerably more than you it would seem.

Perhaps we might need to revisit the freeloaders debate as lots of people seem happy for Hughes to foot the lion's share of the bill.

I couldn't give a monkeys what Ronniequin thinks, I'm asking YOU to back up YOUR statements. Stop hiding behind other posters.
These are your statements on page 20 of this threadYOU are the one who said "fans" like me are apologists because we aren't interested in a fan owned collective, before glibly quipping that I'd need £1500 a year of dsposable income to fund such a thing.

What if people haven't got £1500 a year? People are apologists because they haven't got money?

Given that you seem to think £1500 is the minimum buy-in price to be considered a real fan I asked how much you were putting toward your new team, you saidHow can you state this? You've no idea what I've commited to for next season, and we don't know what you're putting in beacuse like all politicians/hypocrites you've avoided the question three times.

Answer the question. How much are you paying? Let us all see if you meet your own funding criteria.

I'm not obliged to disclose that information.

& certainly not at the request of a dishonest debater like you.

You're quite happy to ride Hughes coattails no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

You hypocrite.
Says the man who won't answer questions or back up his own statements.
So if I'm freeloading off Hughes how am I also helping him fund the club? The net financial benefit can only be in one direction.

I'm prepared to answer the question.

I'm just not prepared to answer you as you manifestly have no interest in a fan owned club.

Or do you deny it?

Is not having the money the same in your eyes as not having the interest?

That's a different issue.

Are you opposed to a fan owned club in principle?

A fans owned club would be ideal, and a great idea, but at the moment its light years away as we hvent got any fans! £1500 a year is not the way forward, even if some could afford it? What DH could do is buy into a ground, even Ealing if its possible for 30 or so years (i think that was something discussed at the Hive). He could then walk away (name the ground after him or have a suite named after him, make him Life President - something Gutterfax/Molly/Jim etc suggested)and not put any more money in and the fans could form a company to run the Club from a base. The club could grow from the bottom-up, whether in the Championship or a lower tier, i would'nt care and i would support and be prepared to put up some money. we could then put into action a proper marketing plan, and i for one would be happy to listen to Gutterfax/Molly/Jim ideas and offer him the job if we could do a deal. That is the only way forward in my view, but whether DH would be willing to go down this route is open to question?

There are lots of examples of this working, although all the examples i am aware of are with clubs with much larger fan bases? Portsmouth, where i currently live, is one of the best and most recent example, but the key is they own their ground, as do Wimbledon and FC Manchester (i think).

So as ever a ground, a base, roots is the key - without this we will be permanent nomads and in permanant decline, though not sure how much more we can decline.....................

Perry, why are you letting this clown get under your skin ? You are better than that. He proved hundreds of posts ago he has nothing to offer in the way of meaningful discussion.

What makes you think I am? I'm just seeing what lengths he'll go to to avoid answering a question.

No I am not. And I defy you to find any post I've made saying otherwise.

But you can't write off funding as "a different issue", it is integral to the concept.
You are the one who calls fans "apologists" for not supporting a fan owned colective.
You are the one saying supporting a fan owned collective will cost £1500 a year per person.

Three times I have asked you address the fact that a lot of people won't have that kind of disposable income, and three times you have avoided the question.

Four times I have asked you if you are making that level of financial contribution at your new club, and four times you have avoided answering the question.

I've answered your question, time for you to answer mine.

Obviously not everyone can afford to stump up 1,500 quid a year so any fan owned club would have different levels of membership.

This is all hypothetical anyway as there obviously isn't any interest in the concept.

Least wise not till the next time David Hughes throws his toys out the pram.

How do you know there isnt any interest ? I'd be willing to throw in a decent wedge so if you can scope out the details and get commitment from others then its on its way.

I was using this place as a straw poll.