I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that DH has put a lot of money into the club and is quite possibly the main reason we are still around. However for a man who is obviously a very shrewd, intelligent and successful businessman he made a horrendous error of judgement with RP and as it was his decision he must carry some of the blame. Why would you give a two year contract to someone whose ability is as unproven as RP's was. Surely the sensible decision would have been to give him a year contract and if he achieved with the team it would be renewed and if he didn't get results then it would not be renewed. There is no disputing he did not get results last year and is being allowed to carry on in the same vein, if not worse again this year - that borders on commercial suicide. People will stop coming along, I for one will not try to bring new people along to spend a fortune watching the dross we are expected to tolerate. It would be too embarrassing. I am not expecting a win every time the team come out on the pitch but I do expect to see commitment and a want to win attitude. I can take being beaten as long as there has been effort and commitment in the game. It would be wonderful to see a win more often but I seriously cannot see where the next win will come from at the moment.

I agree with WQ about no more away trips we have done them for years but no longer will continue to do so. We have more to spend our money on than the fortnightly trip to watch a team devoid of ideas or action. Away trips stopped last year. They were planned in for this year but plans have been shelved why put ourselves out and spend money when the team can't put themselves out for fans, bet they have enough energy to collect their pay packets. Unless major improvements are seen soon I should think a number of season tickets will not be renewed next season.

Rant over and now over to DH to salvage something from this embarrassing mess.

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Assuming Clubb back but no Te Mata, Rodney.

Dorn - Caro, Colbon, Sarginson, Robertson - Bailey, Gower - Kaufusi, Rinaldi, Krasniqi - Golden, Cook, Clubb: bench from Randall, Dixon, Thomas, Bryant, Melling

H-T: Dixon to 5, Robertson to 1, Dorn to 6, Bailey to forwards.

I think that's our best team at the minute and it includes 6 academy products, none included as tokens: I judge Caro (or Dixon)/Colbon to be a better right-side combo than Colbon/Howell; I prefer Sarginson to O'Callaghan; Krasniqi makes more metres/carry than Bryant and is more aggressive; Clubb is a proven performer; Thomas (and if not him, Lamont) deserves 25 mins off the bench on merit.

Having only seen the Hull FC game on Sky, I may not have as much right to comment as others but I find people's posts on here to be ridiculous, either intentional or knee-jerk.

People turning their backs on the club, either home or away or both, is a bit mad (i'm aware away attendances dont count). The majority of threads on here are regarding the franchising system or the clubs attendances and how they need to improve. So not turning up and further depleting the attendance figures, won't work, will it? The RFL have even told the club they need to improve so not turning up will harm the club you support. That's not clever is it?

If the Cas game, of which I'll be attending, is another spineless hammering then there are better forms of protest than hitting the club where it hurts the most. Booing has become a norm in professional sport, as has "[insert coach name here] Out" chants. Those chants, sung by a big number, is a better way of telling the powers that be that Rob Powell isn't up to the job.

Moe - I won't turn my back to home games - but away can't be ar5ed until it is turned round other than to visit places I enjoy going to or have pre booked train tickets. Friday night was the worst of the worst (and I have seen some bad ones), because on paper this team should be so so much better than the tripe that was served up.

Colly - think Bryant has gone OK so far (but not seen his stats).

OFF THE PITCH: Since I started attending games in 2002, the club has systematically failed to do anything that a normal marketer would consider a "campaign".....only ad-hoc bollox that I believe twice attracted a decent gate.......
ON THE PITCH: Since about 2007, the club has really done SFA of any note apart from letting LMS bugger off to St Helens.......

Sorry Moe, but they have had enough chances on and off the pitch and now it is time for the people, some of who have put up with this crap for much longer than me, to make themselves heard.

Shower of Sh!t is an expression that springs to mind here........some players stealing a wage, a coach who's not up to it and after my ceasefire is over this weekend, I'll let you know about the rest of these muppets and where I believe they are A-FuC(IN9-GAIN are going wrong........it really isn't brain surgery, but as the new viral video with less than 500 views would point to, it's not childs play either....

Moe-The performances for the last 3-4 years have been getting worse. It isnt enjoyable watching a team week in week out getting thrashed. Not even nearly competitive

I dont like getting on the "sack the coach" band wagon but I think reluctantly I might have to.

Lister makes a lot of sense when says its no point dropping players if you don't have anyone better to fill their shoes. For me one of the main attributes that a coach needs is being able to get the best out of a player...whatever that may be. But if you look at the likes of a lot of our senior players (Randall, Dorn, Howell, Bailey etc) I am certainly not going to claim that they are amongst the best super league has to offer but in the past they have a lot better than they have under RP.

If RP had the ability to get the best out of our players, we wouldn't be leading the comp but we certainly wouldn't be 0 from 5.

Quote: Paddock Punter " Colly - think Bryant has gone OK so far (but not seen his stats).'" He has - I have no dramas with Bryant. Krasniqi has gone better though IMO and deserves 50 mins not 30 mins. However, biggest problem for me remains this: RHS: 1. Robertson/Colbon 5 misses - 2. Howell 12 misses - 3. Witt 13 misses - 4. Bailey 9 misses LHS: 4. Melling/Rodney 13 misses - 3. Gower 12 misses - 2. O'Callaghan 11 misses - 1. Dixon/Caro 5 misses We are getting busted way too easily through 3rd man in and centre - on both sides of the field! These guys should have missed <8 tackles after 5 games. Howell has managed his total in just 4 games. EDIT: See also Rooster Booster's judgements at viewtopic.php?f=27&t=520727&start=130 I'd therefore prefer (to start the match at least): RHS: Caro - Colbon - Bailey - Golden LHS: Cook - Gower - Sarginson - Robertson A much tighter defence and I think we also gain on attack.

Quote: Paddock Punter " Colly - think Bryant has gone OK so far (but not seen his stats).'" He has - I have no dramas with Bryant. Krasniqi has gone better though IMO and deserves 50 mins not 30 mins. However, biggest problem for me remains this: RHS: 1. Robertson/Colbon 5 misses - 2. Howell 12 misses - 3. Witt 13 misses - 4. Bailey 9 misses LHS: 4. Melling/Rodney 13 misses - 3. Gower 12 misses - 2. O'Callaghan 11 misses - 1. Dixon/Caro 5 misses We are getting busted way too easily through 3rd man in and centre - on both sides of the field! These guys should have missed <8 tackles after 5 games. Howell has managed his total in just 4 games. EDIT: See also Rooster Booster's judgements at viewtopic.php?f=27&t=520727&start=130 I'd therefore prefer (to start the match at least): RHS: Caro - Colbon - Bailey - Golden LHS: Cook - Gower - Sarginson - Robertson A much tighter defence and I think we also gain on attack.

As niles has alluded to, it is far too cooincidental that so many players are under performing. I have no problems with Colly2's suggestion, however I dread to think what will happen if anyone gets injured. Looking forward to seeing what Cook has to offer this weekend.

Ok. I think there are two things going on. (1) Like you say, a *general* culture of laziness (failure to track play, switching off before tackles are completed etc.). (2) *Specifically* some very poor defenders next to each other in the line being targetted by oppo coaches. Both problems need fixing, the latter by changing personnel.

TBH, coaching against the Broncos looks easy at the moment.

Playing against them looks even easier

Chase and the 2 Cas centres must be rubbing there hands in trg this week.

There are less than 30 top grade coaching jobs in RL, finding a replacement at any time of the season shouldn't be too hard.

Sadly not we are spending to salary cap max as said by the chairman. You would think we are spending on a par with Halifax given the performances todate

Are you shocked at that Moe?