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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Still at a loss to see why this is such a shock'"


It's not a "shock"......it is a complete disgrace though as is your shrug of the shoulder reaction as opposed to your "'til the death" defense of all referees.

I kicked up such a fuss about the Catalan fiasco that I received an invite to the Parliamentary RL group as well as 3 personal invites from SL chairmen, all of whom I wrote to at the time. I felt it was unacceptable for SKY to move a fixture in France at a cost of Thousands of pounds to our small but loyal supporter base and as such felt that it should never happen again...to my knowledge, it hasn't. I also reiterated that such a fixture switch would never happen to a big club....it still hasn't.
London Broncos RL were blamed for this switch by the RFL, a claim that was quickly withdrawn.....I imagine such a mistake, if about a bigger club would come with a groveling apology.....

I don't "blame" SKY by the way.......I blame the RFL ad the new SL CEO, who both should be making it quite clear that RL is on the market and for sale in a couple of years and we are looking for a diverse broadcast partner or stable of partners who offer not just money, but also exposure.....SKY have served their purpose and thanks for the ride, but we really need to be more than a cheap "filler" for a broadcast partner who is losing market share across the board.....SKY reported a 12% drop in Sports viewers over the last 2 years. They either need to treat us as a valued product or lose us.....and before anyone says "nobody else wants us".....I'd counter that 350,000-500,000 viewers a week on a paid platform for 30 weeks a year will be of interest to someone but we need to learn how to sell it.

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Well done you dog!

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Quote: Call Me God "SKY have served their purpose and thanks for the ride, but we really need to be more than a cheap "filler" for a broadcast partner who is losing market share across the board.....SKY reported a 12% drop in Sports viewers over the last 2 years. They either need to treat us as a valued product or lose us.....and before anyone says "nobody else wants us".....I'd counter that 350,000-500,000 viewers a week on a paid platform for 30 weeks a year will be of interest to someone but we need to learn how to sell it.'"


I'm surprised Sky have not lost more viewers. It is yesterday's technology and very expensive (though they are offering huge discounts to hold onto subscribers). They have lost a lot of sports in what has become a much more fragmented market.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Well done you dog!'"

I am quite proud of the fact that I got assurances from SKY and the RFL that it wouldn't happen again, so yeah, well done me.
:WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Just actually noticed it’s not been moved to put it on tv has it? It’s been moved because of the thu night game next week, only clicked when there was no reserve TJ.
Thought was at least going to get to see the game on record, ah well.'"

with observational skills like that you should be a referee....

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Not another referee thread? Sigh

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Quote: northernbloke "Not another referee thread? Sigh'"

If they done the job they were paid to do and you did not keep defending them referees would not be mentioned on the this forum.

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I never mentioned them.
But the other view is if the players didn’t cheat you wouldn’t need a ref.

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The time change of the Salford game actually helps me but I'll miss the Halifax game.
Booked up for a function in Surrey on the following Saturday that starts as we kick off, had booked a hotel nearby so as not to have to drive back to Kent that night and then haveto drive back to Ealing on the Sunday for the last scheduled home game of the season. Thanks a lot!

As for the double header , how can it have taken so long to have organised one? And with our reduced circumstances maybe next season we could reciprocate and have one at their place? Either way I think it is a good thing that the double headers are reinstated.

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Quote: northernbloke "I never mentioned them.
But the other view is if the players didn’t cheat you wouldn’t need a ref.'"

Looking at it from a different angle if the ref done his job correctly they would not be able to cheat. I am sure the players will be pleased to find out that they have been accused by you of cheating.

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Quote: northernbloke "But the other view is if the players didn’t cheat you wouldn’t need a ref.'"


I see, so when refs get things wrong it is an honest mistake, but when players do it is cheating. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Never yet seen a referee break a rule during a game.
Every offside is the player trying to gain an advantage so yep breaking the rules.
Every ball strip is against the rules of the game so yes that’s cheating. Laying on in the tackle trying to slow the play the ball is cheating.
Claiming a try when you know you have dropped it is blatant cheating.
Other things are mistakes, knock on for example is an error. If the ball is deliberately knocked down, it’s cheating.
So basically if players played by the rules you don’t need a match official!

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So what rules do the referees have to abide by during a game. Not the ones they're there to ensure are adhered to but actual rules relating to referees?

On your last point re the rules and a need for refs. I thought the reason for a referee was to arbitrate given some infringements are not so cut and dried i.e. In your every player who's offside is trying to cheat, if it's that simple why is there an accidental offside rule? Surely if they're cheating it would be a penalty not a scrum, not all cheats are they?

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A player in the defensive line who is not back 10 mtrs has 3 choices, get back 10, don’t get involved in the play or get involved in play, eg do the right thing or make the decision to break the rules.
Accidental offside is when a player is in a position that he is allowed to be within the rules of the game, eg in front of the kicker but the ball hits him without him attempting to make a play for the ball! Two totally different situations. If he deliberately moves to pick the ball up he is doing it to gain an unfair advantage, ie cheating.
Play within the laws of the game you don’t need an official.

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