Maybe McDermott has learnt from his mistakes.

I've confessed before to being a bit of a closet Wigan fan, but I'm so pleased that whingeing Wain got his come-uppance on this occasion, especially after BMcD showed a measure of dignity at the club-call press conference.

If it wasnt for Kevin Sinfield he wouldnt have achieved anything. I think hes prob improving as a coach but he'll never be great imo.

I thought Lenegan's comments were embarrassing and pleased to see the smug fool shut up.

Sinfield is an average player who never turns up for England.

Sean O'Loughlin by plenty.

another grand final win for that useless coach living off the back off tony smiths leeds team your rant looks even worse now

McDermott inherited a team of Stars and in many games at first they did not perform! until I think he let them play the way the knew and not his method.

The Farce about the game is a team that finishes in the position Leeds did being Super League Champions again, tell me another sports where this happens?

Pleased for Kev Sinfield, though he does not know what to do with his Super League Rings now? last years went to his Dad, this year to his Brother. Good on Ya Kev!

I've always felt that, but then some other people say they like it that way, or that's how it's always been in rugby league and I should stick to watching football etc.

It may be a great achievement to twice win the Grand Final from 5th place, but for me it's more akin to that Hull Challenge Cup win under John Kear, when they knocked out all the top league sides to win it. You can be little better than mediocre for 27 league matches, then just win a few one-off games and be crowned champions.

Wigan and Warrington have both been far more consistently excellent over the past two years. During Mc Dermott's two seasons at Leeds they must have lost as many matches as in the previous four seasons, when they were often winning the Grand Finals too.

Ove the past two years Leeds have simply sustained their long run of success, but via a more difficult route because their overall standards throughout the season have slipped.

Leeds as Grand Final winners 5 times in the past 6 years (and league leaders only once in those 6 years) is an achievement no matter where they were at the end of the regular season. The RFL must shorten the play offs though to a top 5 or less and play over 2 weekends.

Why is it a farce? It's the way rugby league works and has done, with variations to the play-off format, for many years - yes, well before Superleague.

As for another sports, I'd suggest that you do your own research if you really want to know, but there are plenty of competitions worldwide which use a play-off system to determine the champions.

Si it's not a Farce if Rugby Does it? MMmm before Super League, I think you will find that the Champions were more accepted as the League Leaders and were recognised in a much better way than now. Still think it should be the Sky Sports Knockout Cup, it's only a money making exercise and with the attendances currently that must be getting tight.

This claim that Sky installed the play offs is laughable - of course they like it but the sport wanted to return to a play off system and it was the sport's decision to put it in place - just look back to the discussion of its installation in advance of the 98 season.

Perhaps you should bear in mind its the lack of "Money Making excercises" that is pushing our game to the brink.

The women in my family like to watch 'Strickly'. You turn it into a pure dancing competition and its popularity will fall. If they were a commercial station that means a fall in revenue and the business model at risk. Look at the playoffs introduced into Soccer now for some of the promotion places. The excitement, and tension generated puts bums on seats in great numbers never mind the TV money and helps keep clubs solvent. As long as clubs are in touch with a playoff place the will stick with their team. Once the team has no hope of it the casual supporter loses interest and the clubs income is affected. Its the fact that RL and other sports fail to grasp that they are a business as well as a sport that they get themselves into a financial mess.

Also, if the salary cap is working correctly then any team should be able to win it at the playoff stage and not the same 'top teams' so a team winning from 5th or even 8th shows the cap system is working surely?

I like the idea that the final game of the season should be the most important. It's also another prestige occasion for Super League to put itself in front of a wider audience.

The farce is the fact that we have a top 8 play-off. While that does have the advantage of giving some teams in the lower reaches of the legue something to aim for, it severely cheapens the play-off concept in itself. Keep it to 5, or 6 at most. In fact, get Super League down to 12 teams and have it at 5, as it was a while ago.

Leeds would still win it though, and what would everyone complain about then?