Of course I can compare the two, if we want to be a succesful franchise we need to have a market to market to! We dont have one they do and they are doing it right. We need to move to Oxford/Milton Keynes. Somewhere where we can be on the back pages of the local papers, get support from a council keen to have us and interest local businesses and families. Stop jumping in at the deep end and hoping for the best. Its called taking control.

Your original post to which PP responded didn't suggest anything about moving out of London to become a big fish in a small pond like Crusaders, hence a London club shouldn't be compared with such a club.

Personally (as a Londoner) I sincerely hope we can remain a London club. However, given the precedent set by Crusaders' relocation, our declining fortunes on the field, failure to grow our crowds and the issue with the majority shareholding, the direction our club may take in the next few years seems very much up in the air.

And on the flip side of your one sided coin we have the best youth policy in the game currently with 22 players on the scholarship, a chairman who is in it to the end, a financially unprecedented shirt sponsorship in RL, a superb facility to play in, a sound core support to build upon...........
Its not always greener on the other side. We know Wire have a big backer, Leeds are built on sound foundations, Wigan have financial backing a big support, youth etc but what have the likes of Salford, Cas, Wakey, HKR got(accepted HKR crowd is bigger etc). Outside of the SL Widnes are a 5000 crowd team but other than that there is nothing to replace us. Fev, Barrow, Leigh offer nothing across the wider spectrum of requirements

Quins will remain in Superleague and we will win it within the next 10 years.

Curty maybe me and you are the only day dream believers!!

It's all about being patient. That's why relegation was abolished. We're taking a pounding at the moment but we are in a transitional stage. Second half of the season we'll start to fire.

No relegation and a salary cap are good. NFL is a very good example. 2001 they won one game, the joint worst record in the comp. Two years later they lost in the Super Bowl. There is hope.

You are comparing Harlequins RL to the Oakland Raiders? I've seen some dillusional posts in my time, but this takes the biscuit.

"Transitional stage" is just jargon used to try and hide the fact that your crap. Ask yourself what it's a transition between. What were the players performances/off field work/marketing/attendances like before the transitional stage? Were they really that much better? It can only be called transitional if you have something different to transit from. If I've never cooked an omelette before, couldn't cook an omelette yesterday, and I can't cook an omelette today, and I can't cook an omelette at the weekend, but I will hypothetically be able to cook one at some unspecified point in the future, just where is the transitional stage in that set of events? In my mind there is none.

Excellent post.

It's more in hope than anything. I want to watch top flight rugby league and I want my local team to do well. I'm trying to have a little faith in the club I support. End of story.

Much truth in that. But it doesn't prove that we're crap anymore than your culinary shortcomings make you crap. If Delia called in tomorrow, you could be transformed.

We are always in a transitional state. I remember Dan Stains saying exactly that at an end of season speech years ago to the puzzlement of some on here. He was right and to prove it, he was out on his ear a few months later.

Well there's some hope then!! Let's hope its not months eh?