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Quote: gutterfax "Grammar was down to typing on an I phone whilst walking....'"

Ah, so you're allowed grammatical errors, it's just the rest of us who aren't. While we're on the subject of grammar I noted the word "unlikelyness" in your latest post. An interesting portmanteau, but I think you may mean "unlikelihood". Or were you walking again?

The last time I made a typo you asked me if English was my first language. You're very quick to dish it out to people, but equally quick to excuse yourself. Has it ever occurred to you that if you stop jumping on other people when they make a typo, you might receive more understanding when you err yourself?

Quote: gutterfax "...as for disagreeing with me and being flamed, the poster concerned implied a new investor from the states could be attracted by the article......I simply highlighted the unlikelyness of that happening.
I said it was a good article.......it is, but the no fans because nobody knew bit is very relevant to the clubs current state........which is financially terrible'"

It's not so much the message as the way you choose to deliver it. Had you responded along the lines of:
"It's a well written article but unfortunately I doubt it will encourage anyone in the US to invest", most people would have thought it a fair point.
But instead you have to call the poster "a fantasist" and then deliver the usual collection of numbers which for all we know are made up, because to be honest most of us don't have the time to check them.
There's no need for the way you address other people.

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Quote: gutterfax "Seriously?
I said it was a good piece......it is, but until your imaginary NY investor (lol) buys Hughes out then nothing will change......and how a team having lost all season, been relegated and having no fans or media coverage would attract your yank investor is beyond comprehension. American don't really know soccer exists as a pro sport......the concept of an investor ploughing cash into a minority sport.......and a minority sport everywhere other than Australia's easy coast is laughable and shows how much I a fantasist you are. Cold facts are that in 2016 if we want to compete either Hughes bankrolls us or we are dead! The last 4 years (possibly 6) of mismanagement will take 25 years and £40,000,000 to undo........that's about $65,000,000 US by the way'"


Firstly I'm not sure a few hundred words in one of The USA leading daily newspaper is likely to bring forward an american investor. However, I'm from the school of all publicity is good publicity. The game in the US is growing and now that the league's have unified in the US I expect huge leaps in the game over the pond in the next 10-20 years.

However your cheap sneering remark about american's having no knowledge of "soccer" is simply misguided. I suggest next time you apply fact to your sneering fiction. And we all know that the past years under Hughes ownership haven't been the best. But until someone takes the Bronco's off his hands we are stuck with his ownership. Support the team or don't, I really don't care but please stop your petty whinging for all our sakes. I really wonder why you bother hoping on here sometimes.

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Just in case. Drone

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Quote: Perry "
The last time I made a typo you asked me if English was my first language. '"

Wrong. I questioned if English was your mother tongue because you were having trouble comprehending the reality that the club was buggered.....I rarely pull people up on grammar as it is a pointless exercise that smacks of having little if anything to add.
As for how I deliver my message? My "manner" is the least of the problems faced by the club moving forward and as for my statistics, they are not made up......just because they aren't pretty it would make some posters feel more "comfortable" but the reality of the losses incurred under Hughes is frightening.
Quote: Perry "However your cheap sneering remark about american's having no knowledge of "soccer" is simply misguided.'"

Really? Tell me how well Soccer stacks up against the other mainstream sports in the USA in regards to the financials? Soccer is a growth sport, but in reality, it is a minority sport that relies on ex-pat interest for its TV audience.....the concept of RL making any inroads into the psyche of the US sporting market is laughable and the stuff of dreamers. Union is a minor-minor minority sport in the US that relies on college alumni...it has some central funding for its Olympic 7's side but it is light years away from anything like being "known"....league is 50 years behind them.

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Quote: gutterfax " I questioned if English was your mother tongue because you were having trouble comprehending the reality that the club was buggered...'"
Patronising and untrue. I'm under no illusions where the club is at. What I had trouble comprehending was why you were attacking people who continue to attend matches, and gloating over those who talked about no longer going.

Quote: gutterfax "As for how I deliver my message? My "manner" is the least of the problems faced by the club moving forward ...'"
But it is a problem for many people on here.
Tell me, how are the problems faced by the club helped in any way by your attacks on other people on this forum?

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Quote: gutterfax "Really? Tell me how well Soccer stacks up against the other mainstream sports in the USA in regards to the financials? Soccer is a growth sport, but in reality, it is a minority sport that relies on ex-pat interest for its TV audience'"


There are 4.2m men and women currently registered with US Soccer as actively playing in amateur and professional football clubs. There is an estimated 25 mil people playing soccer on a regular basis in the US which is way more than American Football and only bettered by Basketball and Baseball. Soccer is the third highest supported sport in the US and the MLS is the seventh highest supported football league in the world. Soccer is the second most popular sport for under 25's according to a 2011 survey.

I think the figures for those who watched the world cup in the US is around 25-30mil.

This is not a minority sport anymore, as for relying on ex-pat support, the entire US stems from immigrant population so it's hardly surprising. Last month a friendly game at the Pasadena rose bowl attracted 110,000. This is why European clubs want a piece of the action.

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Quote: meliferra "There are 4.2m men and women currently registered with US Soccer as actively playing in amateur and professional football clubs. There is an estimated 25 mil people playing soccer on a regular basis in the US which is way more than American Football and only bettered by Basketball and Baseball. Soccer is the third highest supported sport in the US and the MLS is the seventh highest supported football league in the world. Soccer is the second most popular sport for under 25's according to a 2011 survey.

I think the figures for those who watched the world cup in the US is around 25-30mil.

This is not a minority sport anymore, as for relying on ex-pat support, the entire US stems from immigrant population so it's hardly surprising. Last month a friendly game at the Pasadena rose bowl attracted 110,000. This is why European clubs want a piece of the action.'"

Oh dear, now he's got you started on throwing statistics about, mel. Take care icon_biggrin.gif

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Watch those stats meliferra, could set someone off.

The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised by the rise of soccer in the US. There are whole swathes of the US where Spanish has replaced English as the lingua franca because of immigration from Hispanic countries, and the sporting tradition of Hispanic countries is soccer not gridiron.

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Quote: BroncOnIon "Oh dear, now he's got you started on throwing statistics about, mel. Take care
You're right icon_smile.gif
What a hypocrite I am. In my defence I was trying to be helpful by providing the statistics someone else was looking for.

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Quote: meliferra "You're right icon_biggrin.gif

25,000,000 (8%) watching FIFA14 is brilliant.....the French had 18,000,000 (27%) tuned into RWC11 and Rugby is well behind Soccer there......SOCCER in the USA is still a minority sport.

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Where does that put cricket in this country?
I'd never realised that it's finances determine whether a sport is a minority\majority one.

I guess football is a minority sport in most of the world because it tends to be played by poor people on the street rather than the elite and wealthy.

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Quote: meliferra "Where does that put cricket in this country?
I'd never realised that it's finances determine whether a sport is a minority\majority one.

I guess football is a minority sport in most of the world because it tends to be played by poor people on the street rather than the elite and wealthy.'"

Jumpers for goal posts and the romance of sport are driven by a desire to become one of the elite. I asked about the financials because as a professional sport, they are the driver to success.......the masses at hackney marshes are great but they have little influence over the balance sheets at top tier clubs.

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I refer you all to that old adage "ANY publicity is GOOD publicity!".

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as usual off thread. . just back from 3 weeks in states. football may be a minority sport but a fast growing one. whilst anecdotal, there is a fair bit of coverage in the media, crowds are growing and the World Cup played big in the USA.

Gutterfax's comments are just outdated stereotypical c***.

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Quote: brian2 "as usual off thread. . just back from 3 weeks in states. football may be a minority sport but a fast growing one. whilst anecdotal, there is a fair bit of coverage in the media, crowds are growing and the World Cup played big in the USA.

Gutterfax's comments are just outdated stereotypical c***.'"

Soccer sits behind gridiron, baseball, basketball and hockey in the USA.......it is a minority sport that I never denied wasn't growing, but a minority sport all the same.

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