ask the leeds fans if they would swop another grand final win for playing well during the season and ending up with nothing like wigan and you say hes lucky but his squad isnt as good as wigans or warringtons and on par with saints yet hes the one getting to CC and GF every year you just seem to come across very bitter

Isn't that the measure of a good coach?

He must be given credit for what he is achieving. I must admit to being sceptical but with a core of class players in his team he has excelled.

Smith left years ago. That isnt a factor in the current team. (Watch Wigan drop of next year when the McGuire effect erodes) That fat pie eating gob Sh*te's "brawn without brain" approach will be found wanting next year.

Maybe McDermott has learnt from his mistakes.

I've confessed before to being a bit of a closet Wigan fan, but I'm so pleased that whingeing Wain got his come-uppance on this occasion, especially after BMcD showed a measure of dignity at the club-call press conference.

If it wasnt for Kevin Sinfield he wouldnt have achieved anything. I think hes prob improving as a coach but he'll never be great imo.

I thought Lenegan's comments were embarrassing and pleased to see the smug fool shut up.

Sinfield is an average player who never turns up for England.

Sean O'Loughlin by plenty.

another grand final win for that useless coach living off the back off tony smiths leeds team your rant looks even worse now

McDermott inherited a team of Stars and in many games at first they did not perform! until I think he let them play the way the knew and not his method.

The Farce about the game is a team that finishes in the position Leeds did being Super League Champions again, tell me another sports where this happens?

Pleased for Kev Sinfield, though he does not know what to do with his Super League Rings now? last years went to his Dad, this year to his Brother. Good on Ya Kev!

I've always felt that, but then some other people say they like it that way, or that's how it's always been in rugby league and I should stick to watching football etc.

It may be a great achievement to twice win the Grand Final from 5th place, but for me it's more akin to that Hull Challenge Cup win under John Kear, when they knocked out all the top league sides to win it. You can be little better than mediocre for 27 league matches, then just win a few one-off games and be crowned champions.

Wigan and Warrington have both been far more consistently excellent over the past two years. During Mc Dermott's two seasons at Leeds they must have lost as many matches as in the previous four seasons, when they were often winning the Grand Finals too.

Ove the past two years Leeds have simply sustained their long run of success, but via a more difficult route because their overall standards throughout the season have slipped.

Leeds as Grand Final winners 5 times in the past 6 years (and league leaders only once in those 6 years) is an achievement no matter where they were at the end of the regular season. The RFL must shorten the play offs though to a top 5 or less and play over 2 weekends.

Why is it a farce? It's the way rugby league works and has done, with variations to the play-off format, for many years - yes, well before Superleague.

As for another sports, I'd suggest that you do your own research if you really want to know, but there are plenty of competitions worldwide which use a play-off system to determine the champions.

Si it's not a Farce if Rugby Does it? MMmm before Super League, I think you will find that the Champions were more accepted as the League Leaders and were recognised in a much better way than now. Still think it should be the Sky Sports Knockout Cup, it's only a money making exercise and with the attendances currently that must be getting tight.

This claim that Sky installed the play offs is laughable - of course they like it but the sport wanted to return to a play off system and it was the sport's decision to put it in place - just look back to the discussion of its installation in advance of the 98 season.