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Quote: rosetintedspecs "Lister - if we dont agree with you we are not loyal fans'"


On this particular issue, yes. Loyal fans would support the club through thick and thin. You have decided to prioritise other things, which is absolutely fine, but you aren't a loyal supporter, like most of our followers, apparently.

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Quote: The Penguin "It isn't simply the issue of who is coach.'"


I agree, but apparently the majority of this respondents on this thread do not agree, and will buy if Powell is replaced. That was the point I was getting at.

I also do not disagree with any of the issues that you raise, and I am extremely hopeful that the club attend to these. Refusing to buy a season ticket won't help the club achieve any of its objectives. Walking away after only 2 seasons of dispair is laughable to be honest. If this had gone on for 10 years then maybe I could understand it. But these so called loyal, long term supporters who have followed the club for 10+ years, throwing everything away because of a single dodgy period in our history that could be exactly that in less than a years time - history.

Its nothing about believist automation - I buy a season ticket every year because I love supporting the professional game of Rugby League in the South and hope that one day things come good and we enjoy some success. Does that make me a believist? I am prepared to make a commitment to the game rather than picking and choosing my game and boasting on here when I have decided to not take up the train journey I have booked to an away game in favour of sitting on my sofa scratching my and feeling smug about the amateur game I am going to attend instead.

For some, the professional London Rugby League club is more than just a weekend activity and I would shed a tear if the club were to go under, without shame. Others will simply move on and find something else to do. I would be numb. But that is just different levels of preference I guess.

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Quote: Dave Lister "On this particular issue, yes. Loyal fans would support the club through thick and thin. You have decided to prioritise other things, which is absolutely fine, but you aren't a loyal supporter, like most of our followers, apparently.'"


You seem to like to take the contrary position, but loyalty should not be blind. The club is throwing itself off a methophorical cliff. A majority on here seem to be expressing the view that they do not find that acceptable. We have very little leverage over the club, we write and get told of a review but with no outcome. If the thought of more fans walking away causes a reaction then I do not consider that unloyal.

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Quote: poplar panther "The club must love you Mr Lister. You seem to be able to put up with anything, what medication are you on?'"


I won't be knee jerking because of two bad seasons out of 30 plus. Some football fans will go through decades of depression, winning nothing, having no hope, yet their loyal supporters will turn out week on week as the club is their passion. I see that in very few of our supporters.

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Quote: jbuzza "You seem to like to take the contrary position, but loyalty should not be blind. The club is throwing itself off a methophorical cliff. A majority on here seem to be expressing the view that they do not find that acceptable. We have very little leverage over the club, we write and get told of a review but with no outcome. If the thought of more fans walking away causes a reaction then I do not consider that unloyal.'"


Of course they don't find it acceptable, neither do I, but withdrawing my support will not make 1 bit of difference in helping the club in the future. It will only have a negative impact and make things worse.

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Oh and I find it amusing that it is believed I am taking a contrary position, if this were a football club or a bigger club such as Wigan, it would be the opposite.

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Come on Lister you didnt answer my question are you going to pay for this poor pensioners season ticket so I can in your selective eliteist club of loyal supporters.

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Quote: Dave Lister "Of course they don't find it acceptable, neither do I, but withdrawing my support will not make 1 bit of difference in helping the club in the future. It will only have a negative impact and make things worse.'"


I don't think anyone who has supported the club for years (in my case since the advent of SL) would make this decision lightly. But lets face facts the problems run deep and there are those who now view the situation as unacceptable.They may want to influence a change or make a point (if only to themselves). I don't think that is disloyal. Some may even feel their loyalty was in danger of becoming misplaced.

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I've voted for option 2 as the best fit. I won't buy at ANY price, but my current geriatric-level ST is so cheap that I don't even notice it - just one return rail journey, plus parking costs at my local station cost about 75% of my ST. I don't attend every game but the ST in itself, ignoring all the add-on costs which go to First Great Worsten, is excellent value for money. It enables me to see SL live, not just the Broncos.

But option 2 says I don't care about the coach and of course I do.

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Quote: rosetintedspecs "Come on Lister you didnt answer my question are you going to pay for this poor pensioners season ticket so I can in your selective eliteist club of loyal supporters.'"


Nope, I'll contribute towards your allotment though.

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Quote: Dave Lister "Oh and I find it amusing that it is believed I am taking a contrary position, if this were a football club or a bigger club such as Wigan, it would be the opposite.'"


Problem is mate, you cannot equate a Wigan or even a conference footie club with this one, regardless of the coaching issue [BTW inc the Mac years and it's closer to 6 of dross] as the way those clubs would have operated in anything like similar circumstances would be totally different. As others have pointed out this has probably been our worst season [iOFF[/i field for communications and actions from the club, for all of those little cock up's they make, and frankly, for the we don't appear to really give a damn anymore attitudes that the reduced hard core perceive as meaning there really are not that many years left in the club.

We can fight and be as loyal as we wish, but if the club do not have the same ambitions or do not convey what those ambitions are in a realistic manner then why should we, the sport can still be followed and I have always maintained that the sport is more important in the South than this club.

David and Gus are businessmen, bottom lines are what they understand. We are far too polite and good natured to take the actions most other clubs supporters would have done, so perhaps notice has to be given in a slightly more direct way.

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Quote: Homer "We are far too polite and good natured to take the actions most other clubs supporters would have done, so perhaps notice has to be given in a slightly more direct way.'"


Like what?

So you think that halving our number of season ticket holders would be a positive move and the club would suddenly turn things around with no bugger putting any money into the club?

While poster X is sitting at home "ahhh, I feel much better now, the club must be kicking themselves over this".

"Oh the club have folded, my plan didn't work, never mind, I'll go and play cricket instead".

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How about the option to pay a premium on my season ticket to pay off Rob Powell.

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Quote: Dave Lister "Like what?

So you think that halving our number of season ticket holders would be a positive move and the club would suddenly turn things around with no bugger putting any money into the club?

While poster X is sitting at home "ahhh, I feel much better now, the club must be kicking themselves over this".

"Oh the club have folded, my plan didn't work, never mind, I'll go and play cricket instead".'"


icon_lol.gif nice, however in the real world the only simple way the club can grow it's supporter base is via the existing fans, and not many would recommend this club in it's current guise to any mates, in the hope of retention, as opposed to the "come and watch one good game with Wigan coming down and slaughtering us".

So therefore if a reasonable % of the clubs ST holders indicate dissatisfaction with the clubs current direction, including coaching staff, they should be able to surmise that there is unlikely to be any significant growth in ST #'s next season.

Most of us come from the generation of Broncos supporters who pretty much knew they would get beat in most circumstances by the top 4/5 teams, and even on occasion get a good hiding from one of them, but would expect the guys to at least be ready to play their hearts out and on those blue moon occasions turn a Saints or Wigan over and at least be competitive against clubs of a similar nature to ourselves. For me that's all I want now, not the knowledge we will ship 40+ points every match, have the worst away record since Ronnie Kray got sent down, and have a coach whose main crime in my book, is not showing the passion that these defeats should mean to him as much as they do to us. I do not want platitudes, I want paint coming off the walls..................give me that & I continue to give you money, easy deal!

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If Powell is there you can write me off for next season.
Ive only been a season ticket for twelve years but have decided
after last and this years debacle that enough is enough,
Ive only ever expected the bare minimum when it comes to Londons
Super League Club. A lowly play off place is all I would ever expect but
that is clearly far and beyond what we are capable of.
Im fed up of seeing us trounced week in and week out and having a four hour
round trip to witness such dross. Its cost me 70 hours annual leave so far.
Needless to say it wont cost me an hour more..
I will renew my Skolars season ticket as ever and will take in my local amateur
club Eastern Rhinos along with visits as ever to Hemel and St Albans, but any
commitment to the Broncos will depend on seeing the back of Powell.

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