I have to admit to agreeing with Listy - I thought Ganson had an excellent performance - probably the best refereeing display at The Stoop all season. It was true Ganson when he sin-binned Joel Tomkins and reversed the penalty. Superb!

It was as clear as day that with the territory we had towards the end of the first half and an inability to look like scoring that the game was gone. Our speed running on to the ball is non-existant and we seem to be actually slowing down as we run towards the opposition defensive line all the time.

I hate to say it, but I think now, with Catalans getting players back on the pitch we will, barring a miracle, finish bottom. To make the mood even grimmer, I think next season will be little better, I can see a lot of players leaving (Orr back to Cas is the latest on the rumour mill), and they'll be replaced either by hopefulls from Championship, Championship One, or players who can't get into the starting line up at the lesser Super League clubs.

As Dorn plays now at SO, what he's doing wrong is failing to stand back and assess the options, he's just too keen to get in the play and use his pace, he's all action, too much action. Against a weak defence that works some the time, but against a defence as organised as Wigan's it hasn't a hope.

Have to agree with the positives about Ganson yesterday. I thought he did a superb job.

We were dreadful yesterday apart from 2 or 3 five minute spells we were totally lethargic, no go forward, no pace, players receiving the ball at walking pace, poor support play and clueless in attack.

I think I must have been watching a different game to BM........the worry is that I spoke to Luke Dorn after the match and he seemed to think that the team played ok!!!

Even though they had players missing and were not at their best it was a stroll in the park for Wigan, when just like Leeds a couple of weeks ago we had a great opportunity to capitalise on the situation. We messed up yet again and Ganson had a decent game, so had nothing to do with the result.

Great travelling support from Wigan as per usual.

Don't think our forwards were bad against Wigan. The platform was clearly set.

Anybody got any news on Howells?

Yes, he doesn't play for us.

"Popped his collarbone" I read somewhere. I think that happened on the first hit up of the game when he went in to tackle Prescott (?) and received a forearm to his chest.

No idea how serious a "popped collarbone" is.

Double post, sorry.

i dont know where you think the collar bone is, but it wasn't the bit he was holding. he looked injured from the first tackle. the lowest point for me was when dorn caught the ball 10 meters out and stood still, whilst a committee meeting took place as what to do next, closely followed by bryants bitch slap of tackle at the death. rubbish. we have so little penetration we need ron jeremy as forward coach.

It was either his collarbone or shoulder, I saw him come up strapped up at the start of the second half.

IIRC correctly it was Howell who caught Tomkins when he broke down field. A great effort with an injury!

I thought we did OK on Saturday against the league leaders. Maybe I'm becoming conditioned to a level of mediocrity? I felt we competed well in most departments for the first three quarters of the game, the one glaring difference being Wigan's superior speed fo both thought and movement close to the tryline. Quins just didn't look capable of unlocking their defence as we needed to. When we pulled them back to 12-20 midway through the second half there was till a theoretical chance we could win, but realistically I couldn't see us catching them without shipping more tries ourselves. In the final quarter we seemed to run out of steam as a good Wigan side ran away with it. I thought Sam Tompkins was very impressive and I hardly noticed Ganson, so I guess he did a good job too.

He didn't seem to be all that keen to support Randall when he made a couple of breaks. One pass and it would have been a try.