TV size and class? I dunno, maybe it's just that when B&W TV landed....upper class, and then upper middle got it.
Colour...Upper, uppermiddle, midddle then working class was the order of the upgrade.....50 years later and the world and his wife can afford a 52" screen from chavgos on the never never...the point was, TV was a yardstick!
Back to the thread

Charlton......hardly TW2 is it
Brentford, until recently a Labour stronghold and a predominantly white "working class" area.....
Twickenham.......middle and aspirant middle upper class........with a bit of council thown in for flavour

What have they all got in common? SHI7 crowds for Londons SL team. And, as others have said, an 70% empty Stoop is bad enough...do you really want a 90% empty stadium with 8 track lanes between you and the players?

I repeat (sorry homer)...situ is not the problem. The posh tw@s in Richmond and Twickenham don't even know we exist...MARKET THE GAME!

No they're not. Sheffield got very similar crowds in SL to us and had similar levels of success on the field. But their city's full of soccer fans. Working class people are no more open minded to RL than middle/upper class people. Its got nothing to do with class. We need people to identify with the club and in my opinion we can only do that with either a much more succesful team with top class players or a market that's easier to capture. i.e. a smaller town with less top sports teams and normal boundaries and town centre, like Milton Keynes or Oxford.

There are 2 things that I think have nothing to do with our clubs current failings, and they are the market, and the identity. The same arguments get trotted out over and over again, and we have the same discussions every year. In the short term, the club is trying, but still falling way short of the target. The club is still in its relative infancy, and the only real concern I have right now is our reliance on David Hughes. Everything else will take years.

How do you know that the locals in Stratford would be interested in a RL team?

My personal feeling is that we need to stop moving around London - we've been back at The Stoop for five seasons now and need to make it a long term thing.

First and foremost I definitely think we should stay where we and try and make more of a go of it.

I happen to agree with a lot of comments Gutterfax puts about marketing.
Has anybody at the club looked into having say, six London cabs done in livery ( suggest the use of this years away colours to distinguish from RU side ) thsi is something Wasps done with QPR when they moved to Loftus Road na d Saracens when first went to Watford.
Also there are a lot of national carriers ie TNT , Tuffnells ect who have depots in Heathrow are and serve the local communities around SW, W and NW London. Has anybody approached them to find out if advertising banners could be put across their fleets, they do it for missing persons ect (we could do it for missing supporters). I wouldn't know what costs are involved but if don't ask you don't get.

How do you know that the locals in Stratford would be interested in a RL team?

i dont,no more than anyone else.what i do know is it aint working at the stoop.
do you not think that the publicity of moving to stratford into the olympic stadium would be enormous compared to anything we have done before?would that not help in getting bums on seats.i bet saracens are considering this.do we carry on as we have been until david hughes gets the hump with losing his dosh,im amazed hes put up with our lack of progress for so long(youth development aside) a nomadic history hasnt helped us thats true,but maybe a FINAL move to a prestigious stadium might just be the kick start we need.we sure as hell need something to happen.

We've been at the Stoop for 3 seasons, heartland clubs have been in their current locations for decades and are still getting pathetic crowds. Expecting crowds to turn up overnight is impossible and naive. Again, many teams in the North have 100+ year histories and associations, yet can't even break 10k. I'd settle for very small growth every year. As few as 500 people. Aiming for 10k crowds within 5 years is ridiculous.

End of argument.

so your argument is to stay where we are for decades like heartland clubs and get pathetic crowds? very well thought out . not end of argument

Pathetic relative to their histories. I think 2.5k after 3 years is pretty decent going. See the rest of my post, I edited it. Let people get used to the club, bring people in gradually, and it'll work. We can't force it on people suddenly.

2.5k after 3 years is not decent going its pathetic,where do you get this bringing people in gradually,we are losing people.
my point is we have an opportunity to get us on the map by moving to this new stadium or carrying on as we are and watch us disaappear up our own ar$e in time

Yawn. Yes, lets just move to another random location and then moan again in 3 years time that our attendances are pathetic and we should be attracting 10k+ crowds. Well done for ignoring all the points I made in my other 2 posts btw.

i thought i had answered your edited responses re 10k crowds in 5 years,bringing in people gradually(so gradual they go down)
random....the building of a world beating stadium in a heavily populated area with a working class non ru watching area, essex on the border youth rl played in brentwood schools hornchurch rlfc not far away....ok small in size but there nonetheless.
cant you see we are going nowhere fast.we are all in agreement we want to see league flourish.i just think we are in a crap area to attract people to watch it... sorry to anyone from twickers.....jeez even that name gives me the hump.

You seem to ignore the fact that the only season we got good crowds was actually at the Stoop. The missing factor now is a decent side with some known names. The thought of moving again is frankly laughable.

Your obsession with classes is ridiculous. You think that Stratford is a "working class area", so automatically they will sympathise towards Rugby League? Utter rubbish.

You think a move away from being Harlequins RL, to a brand new identity with no foundations whatsoever, will be a success? Utter rubbish.

We are in an excellent area for people to watch Rugby League, great access, pleasant area, people everywhere.

I can't believe people moan about GF's suggestions, yet there is very little complaint about someone suggesting we should uproot the team, again, after only 3 years, with no justification. Barmy.