Have to say I agree with the 'dull' comment - watched on tv with Mrs from Erith and both of us simultaneously used the d word to sum up the performance. Could be a 3 way tie for the spoon with Catalans though!

Felt slightly sorry for your lot after tonight. Just look at the quality of personnel on offer from each side...Quins have no depth and will struggle this season but there are some decent players there. You never gave up which is 1 decent positive showing there is spirit. I disagree with the comment that someone put they looked a beaten side after 10 minutes because they could on another day of gone in at H/t level. A team who are beaten before they get there are tonight, Catalan.

It's going to be a long long season.

The only exciting thing about it will be that, I believe, not so super Mac is out of contract at the end of the season.

Your most probably correct but unfortunately the man hasn't a clue, he said as much himself last season.

If he hasn't got a clue then why wait til the end of the season when his contract's up? He clearly has no tactical acumen and I'd like to see if a hungry coach, maybe one working as an assistant in the NRL, couldn't come over here with a few new ideas and do better with our squad that Mac is doing. I've no personal beef with him but we;re going nowhere with him in charge, and haven't been for some time. We need a change as we appear to be devoid of any ideas out on the pitch. the only reason we beat Catalans was 'cos they were even worse than us!

I agree, but dont think we can afford to replace him

Danny Orr tried hard, as ever, but got nowhere.
Sharp, BJB, O'Callaghan, Smith and Bolger can look themselves in the mirror and say they gave it a go.
Te Mata unlucky to be injured, although maybe he's coming to the end of his career? Only so long you can continue getting bashed around before the body starts to break down.
LMS, Clubb, Wilkes and Golden were anonymous.
Esders just isn't good enough. Would be lucky to get a gig at a Championship club.
Randall, Williamson, Ward, Melling, Howell should all be embarrassed. These are the senior players and they just went missing, not for the first time either.


As for Brian Mc. I like the guy, I really do. He's honest, hardworking and committed, but he just isn't good enough to be a head coach at this level.
1) Promising young players have completely stagnated. LMS and Clubb have talent, no doubt about that, but they are still doing the same things (and making the same mistakes) as they were two years ago. Things that you can let slide with a promising 21 year old Londoner just aren't acceptable when they are supposed to be challenging for international honours. They simply haven't progressed.

2) The squad is still lightweight up front, despite the world and his granny knowing there is a complete lack of oomph, especially off the bench. Look around any NRL reserve grade and you'll find a couple of polynesian prop forwards who do nothing but bash and crash their way through a game, and they'd cost peanuts. There's an old saying in RL "My squad needs six props; two on the pitch, two on the bench and two suspended." You'd think an ex-prop would know thins and stop trying to use second rowers up front.

3) Injuries, again, hitting the squad before the season has even started. It's one thing to pick up broken bones, etc during a long and arduous season, but quite another to have ten players out of contention before the first game. And this isn't the first time it's happened.

4) The kicking game is still non-existent. But tbh this links in with point 2. If you're not making any ground going forward, then your kickers will always be trying to execute from a difficult position stuck in your own half. Just look at most England v Australia games. Not that that excuses poor technique.

It looks like it's going to be Quins and Salford fighting it out for the spoon this year.

A bit harsh on Golden, he must have done a thousand tackles, no wonder he had nothing left in attack.

Ive woken up still in shock at how poor that was last night-I didn't watch it to the end it was that bad, made worse by Wiggy Hemmings scratching around trying to find positives for us.

We can make excuses for McDermott all we like and I accept we have injuries but this is now his team(possibly under financial constraints but spending more than Cas and Wakey) and we are dire. We are not comfortable with the ball. His whole thinking (my view) is based on defence. I would be embarrassed as a coach if other coaches kept saying Brian's teams will be fit. All SL teams are fit.

We have no desire to attack. Last night we never pushed the ball to the centres. It was one out against one of the most experienced packs in their league.

An earlier poster mentioned poor kicking, what about tackling? There is more to tackling that stopping someone, just look at Hudds they've turned it into a science. We never seem to knock the player back, they always get over us and equally when we hit the contact with the ball we get knocked back.(LMS is useless in both of these contacts-He as a player has gone backwards massively-Even Mac doesn't give him much game time)

Something has to change-What that is I dont know but the reality is we are a very poor side that plays a style that is uneasy on the eye. Q GF(how do you sell.............

One thing for sure is we are stuck with the team and I agree with comments that we are going nowhere and even backwards. A new coach is required NOW, somebody who can shake up the current crop of players, try new ideas and kick a few backsides. Mac has gone as far as he can, one win is six months is a very poor record by any standards, no more excuses a head has to roll.

It will be intersting to see if Walters goes this week-Im not suggesting we get him!! more a barometer of ambition between the clubs.

Do coaches get performance managed like other employees in business and therefore if they under perform you dont sack them you manage them out at no cost. It seems in sport if you get rid of a coach you have to pay him of.

Isn't there a character in the wizard of Oz - all heart and no brains?
It will be a long season bearing a miracle, a diet of crumbs and heroic (and some not so heroic) defeats. We may get a few home wins courtesy of Salford etc but I can't see many on the road, we were lucky to get one last night. Thanks god for Kevin Walters!

There are too many average players in the team. You have to have some to balance the salary cap but the rest have to be quality players in key positions who are smart and skillfull or gamebreaking props etc. the balance is all wrong and is why we look comletely devoid of ideas or impact