O'C got both MOM's

The issues I have are

We have the best hooker from last year playing 7
We have an ex int 7 playing 9
We have a GB 13 playing 12
We have an ex GB FB sat in the stand
We have a player we have signed for 4 years who is progressing as a good 6 sat in the stand
Our top scorer who has chimed into the line from FB stuck yesterday at 6
A prop forward in LMS who[u never[/u wins the contact going forward and in defence
A cente that is forever running out the line and leaving gaps
A centre wing partnership in Clubb/O'C that has been thrashed in several games- Riley 5 tries, HKR Whelam 4 tries and multiple others-
Using 3 of the bench rather than 4

I despair with it.

The annoying thing is we have a reasonable team/squad-its the utilisation of the players and a firm playing structure that appears to be lacking.

Why when we get 10 metres from the line do we automatically go wide against a set defence- why not bang a couple in close to the middle sucking in the defence creating gaps out wide then go for broke- Saints bang Graham in, Wire Morley, Leeds leululi etc. We tap and put a 20 metre pass on whilst the defence just comes up and tackles as it is set

Does McDermott not think other coach study the opposition

They can read us like a book

No, it's more like a pamphlet!

I have to admit to agreeing with Listy - I thought Ganson had an excellent performance - probably the best refereeing display at The Stoop all season. It was true Ganson when he sin-binned Joel Tomkins and reversed the penalty. Superb!

It was as clear as day that with the territory we had towards the end of the first half and an inability to look like scoring that the game was gone. Our speed running on to the ball is non-existant and we seem to be actually slowing down as we run towards the opposition defensive line all the time.

I hate to say it, but I think now, with Catalans getting players back on the pitch we will, barring a miracle, finish bottom. To make the mood even grimmer, I think next season will be little better, I can see a lot of players leaving (Orr back to Cas is the latest on the rumour mill), and they'll be replaced either by hopefulls from Championship, Championship One, or players who can't get into the starting line up at the lesser Super League clubs.

As Dorn plays now at SO, what he's doing wrong is failing to stand back and assess the options, he's just too keen to get in the play and use his pace, he's all action, too much action. Against a weak defence that works some the time, but against a defence as organised as Wigan's it hasn't a hope.

Have to agree with the positives about Ganson yesterday. I thought he did a superb job.

Is he for real-there is having ago and there is having a go. No successful team in the history of RL has played without a set of forwards. Teach LMS, Ward, Esders, Clubb to run hard and set a platform, suck in defenders and then lets go wide and throw it around-thats what leeds, Saints have been doing for years. Wigan have done very little different this year, they have the same players but they are fitter, more eager in defence, and run hard. Its not science

We were dreadful yesterday apart from 2 or 3 five minute spells we were totally lethargic, no go forward, no pace, players receiving the ball at walking pace, poor support play and clueless in attack.

I think I must have been watching a different game to BM........the worry is that I spoke to Luke Dorn after the match and he seemed to think that the team played ok!!!

Even though they had players missing and were not at their best it was a stroll in the park for Wigan, when just like Leeds a couple of weeks ago we had a great opportunity to capitalise on the situation. We messed up yet again and Ganson had a decent game, so had nothing to do with the result.

Great travelling support from Wigan as per usual.

Don't think our forwards were bad against Wigan. The platform was clearly set.

Anybody got any news on Howells?

Yes, he doesn't play for us.

"Popped his collarbone" I read somewhere. I think that happened on the first hit up of the game when he went in to tackle Prescott (?) and received a forearm to his chest.

No idea how serious a "popped collarbone" is.