Yes, but surely, realistically, our aim is 5th, MPG, and more than likely a stronger Championship campaign next year ?

I have faith that Hendo knows where we need to strengthen, has more than likely lined players up, has realised who wont cut it - its all about planning, unusual in Bronco world.

PC agreed, I think you're right that this year we just aren't strong enough to realistically compete in the middle 8's- Leigh you would think are the team in the championship who may give it a go.

Am I hearing correctly they've lined up Jerrod Hayne- NO I've not been drinking just something someone text me yesterday!!

Hitting 5th spot is not that straight foreward if we are so convinced that Leigh are the ones in with a chance realistically we are likely in 6th spot. I a gree 5th should be the aim.
I think the question we should be asking is are we as a club ready to go back into SL? Look how widnes did it, and look at Leigh! they have been building slowly over a number of years, it is not just going up its a question of survival once you are up there. leigh are probably better set, decent stadium, decent squad thats been pretty dominant and learning from mistakes. Us well the reality is we despite temporary stands etc is ealing acceptable? do we have depth in the squad? is the back room set up good enough yet?
My thoughts as much as I would love to see us back in SL, lets target a good run in the 8s, then next year take the shield in the championship or whatever it is!
As for players moving on, its that part of the season where contracts are discussed so its going to be a factor.

is that JH possibly being lined up at Leigh?

Can't see it myself Micky..But you never know.

I agree mate but i didnt think the soward rumour could be right with us and look what happened!

They've got Tickle!!

11 - 5 penalty count against, any side would struggle with a bias like that.

Do we have idea of who's signed up and who maybe off next season

Plummy why do you say bias when it's an 11 5 penalty count. Teams get penalised when they are getting beaten by a better team, quick ptb results in offside or attempts to slow the ruck down. Believe it or not the officials do not go out with any bias, they purely make sure the players are penalised when they infringe. Blame the players not the officials.

Mickey I agree with what you say in principal but it has been proven previously that London very rarely get the positive number on the penalty count. This is something Mac has spoken about in the past.

I also think crowds can sway judgment, human pressure etc

So its not as B & W as you make it out to be

I had used the word bias quite innocently ie not in the bent sense, but on reflection he probably was.

Have a look at the penalty count of any game at the weekend, and you will see evens or 1 or 2 in it.

This bloke was one sided in his views - sorry but have a look at the video and then comment. Now I am not saying we didnt give 11 penalties away, what I am saying is on the basis of his decisions against us, Batley didnt only give 5 penalties away.

Referees are inextricably linked to the ebb and flow of the game. Piggy back penalties help an attacking side and hinder the defence. It works both ways.

We didnt deserve to win, but the referees decision making certainly influenced the game.

Plummy you know I thought about this last night and was gonna come back on and apologise anyhow, I assumed you were saying the ref was biased and that was wrong of me.
What you might not know is with such an imbalance at the penalty count at review that will be looked at really closely by the RFL so actually it goes against a ref if it us so one sided, it had a discussion with Chris kendal about how it is viewed if one team gets pinged so much in a game and I am not saying it's frowned upon but unless in review they are bang on then it is noted.
Referees decisions do influence a game but referees majestic decisions on what the players do don't forget.

And having been in the middle a fair bit and with quite a few games with people shouting from the touch line, it's never a call from the touch line has never slewed my decision making, and these guys are much more experienced than me.

Still too many tired forwards: Battye dropping off loads of tackles recently; Cunno and Garside need a break. Some of these lads aren't suited to hot weather either.

Think there is a bit of grasping at straws here, I agree with worrying trend of missed tackles in last couple of games. As for players needing a rest Aw bless em! Pretty sure Monday morning was pretty relaxed recovery day for em most of players in championship probably put in a ful shift at day job.
As for it being too hot for them, firstly it's. a summer sport and second what makes it harder for them than any other player