As Gutterfax states, which I agree with, I fear for the game in the North under the current administration, the guy at the top only tends to raise his head, when things are going bad, then often what he says ends up proving not to be correct, such as tickets are selling fast! for major games. The game can't survive on Sky money alone, and I don't think they will ever offer the same amount again. The appointment of the new chairman in Brian Berwick, never enthused me, and listening to what he had to say in the radio interview the other day, he is simply a figure head to pat Nigel on the head, and not good at that.

Cash turnstiles at the CC Final used to be quite common at the old Wembley Stadium.

Wembley has a capacity of 90k, I would imagine around 70k tickets have already been sold. Is that not good enough? Or is it another sign that RL's about to self destruct and become a less popular spectator sport than lawn bowls?

Yes your quite correct with the Wembleycapacity, whatever the final attendance, let's not forget that it will include, 17,500 debenture seats, which were sold for a 10 year period, which runs out in 2017.

So if you claim then 70K tickets have been sold, does that mean the final attendance will be around 87,500 then?

Wigan and Hull will have sold 30k tickets each easy, 10k to neutrals. Im sure 70k will have been sold. I have no idea how the club Wembley seats work or how they're reported on the match day attendance.

They have been sold, so they have to be counted that way, owners are allowed to use their seats at any event the stadium holds. It has always been a bone of contention that they should need to give notice if they are not being used, allowing Wembley to re-sell them for the owners for that one event, that would avoid the number of empty seats right in view of the camera. Not sure about your 10K to neutrals? at one time when I was younger, pubs and clubs in every town ran coach trips, often for the weekend, that does not happen any longer in the same numbers.

There are more annual big events in RL now so no it's not as much of a centre-piece of the RL calendar that it once was. But you're still being negative just for the sake of it. Stop it. There will be a massive crowd there tomorrow. End of.

I think you need to look at yourself! before you lecture others

Apparently last Saturday's gate was 1843, not 2013. This drops the average to 2200 and means that the majority of our home games were watched by under 2000.

Who says it was1843?
Buggers up my spreadsheet if true but still not low enough to be the lowest for hudds

'League Express' - only got round to doing my spreadsheets yesterday as it's been a busy week.

I reckon it was less than this on the day, no doubt missing st holders were counted.

Crowd announced as 78,000 but there were swathes of empty spaces.

Definitely the worst crowd I've ever seen at a Challenge Cup final.