Tell me another ground in London where we could play for £200K ? Bear in mind that while we might generate more revenue on a ground of our own we would also have much higher costs.

I wonder how many Quins RL ST holders have stopped going since we reverted to Broncos, just a thought, it may account for some of the drop in gates!

There was enthusiasm from our Landlords at the start of the venture, but this petered out as the performances on the pitch faltered and the crowds dropped (or were static at best.) They then realised that we were not going to make any impact on the competition and basically are a loss making business which wasn't worth investing in (who can blame them ? Especially now we see how they have built their team and their crowds?).

It is correct to say we don't know if Quins are trying to retain us, but I would guess they are, as it is worth their while financially.

Jaybs doesn't want us to play at The Stoop or another RU club, so this leaves us with getting involved with a soccer club (again).

The down side to being a tenant at a Soccer club is that they will want to kick us out for 2 months to work on their pitch. Hence we will have weeks of away and on the road games, which will impact on us being able to build support (and we know how our team thrives away from home!).

Thanks at last someone like 2Dan Stains woz God2 who is willing at least to discuss and accept we can have different opinions, it would be a boring world if we didn't.

I wanted to return to the stoop, I had happy memories from first time around, but it has simple not worked, the only reason I can think of is first time around it was something different and we had a good time especially the World Championship matches. If we did go in with any other union club it would have to be one with a ground up to Super League standards, which are worth considering? if it is another area of London would they be more willing to accept us? will travel at any other union club provide us with better tube links?

Yes we will have some problems with re-seeding at a football club, but pitches these days are much better, can't remember Wigan Warriors having any on the road games? I know many will not agree but I enjoyed our time at The Valley, it felt more like a home than the stoop.

Anyway need to get on the M62 now!

The Bit in Red is on of the more assumptive claims you have come up with recently......firstly, if they watch the game on TV they Know who we are and what we play, next up, Union is not the MASSIVE beast I sometimes wind northerners up about.....Twickenham is a leafy suburb to most people that happens to have a large stadium where England play Union in front of crowds that do not reflect the unpopularity of its club games. Futhermore, Your use of RR cars, Picnic baskets and Etonian Cameron point to where this "idea" really comes from. Not all wealthy people who come from old money are s......same way northerners aren't wife beating ex-miners with whippets!
As for the Re-brand......it was always doomed to failure.....as a matter of courtesy I said I would reserve my judgement until after the Castleford home game.......but I saw it was bollox back in October and I have seen nothing at all to make me change my thoughts on that. Being the Broncos has not brought 1 benefit I can see........feel free to let me know where I am wrong. Yes, a winning team would be handy, but my first game as a fan was a loss.....I still came back for more......from 4,900 to 1,900, games 1&2 as Broncos at the stoop this year, is shocking.....truly shocking!


Cool story bro, but where's the evidence that the landlords would WANT to reduce their income by getting rid of us? YES.....when we were Quins RL it was very annoying that a lot of the "joint venture" stuff never happened, but since the first 3 yrs were up, we became tenants.....I expect my tenants to pay their rent, maintain my properties and that's pretty much it........what EXACTLY is it you expect from Harlequins RFC other than what we are paying for......?


Cool story II bro.....but your feeling that we can't build a fan base in Twickenham is actually a flawed assumption......if the club actually tried, then yes, I might say after 6 years it's maybe time up sticks, but they have done little or nothing in the area...ask Darth....he's a journo in the area........they are shocking in their total lack of activity on that front.....



Cool Story III bro.....I wish I'd pick 6 + the bonus ball, but I still reside in the REAL WORLD! I buy shirts (when they make it possible to do some from outside the UK), but it is not my JOB to turn this around.



I never said we didn't have options.....I just said your BLIND EAST IS THE BEST WAY mantra was flawed, because there was no proof that it was, nor that West had even been tried properly.

I see Wakefield have managed to shake us and Widnes off.....looking like June 9th is the decider for the wooden spoon.......

'it was always doomed to fail' a rather broad statement and by the looks of it based on hindsight unless of course you wrote the business plan and knew it was a waste of time.

At the end of 2005, the club had a net worth of MINUS £890,000
At the end of 2010, the club had a net worth of MINUS £8,870,000

From Season start 2006 - to season end 2010, the club played 136 games, won 50 (36%) and attracted an average gate of 3,686 at, according to Ian Lenegan (circa 2006) a value of the club of £9.85 each.

Given I can't access the net worth of the club for 2011, let's say, to keep you happy, they broke even

Gutterfax Anyone who has a "personal opinion" can be accused of being assumptive! it is being able to Accept others can have opinions.

Did I ever state that that rich people are s? many of my personal friends are most successful and come from a privileged background but they are also genuine, why people have to use boxes is beyond me for identifying different groups, but sadly that is the way many do perceive those who attend Twickenham and that is not just assumption, I was born in a two up, two down terraced house, but I never let it hold me back.

Again I have always clearly stated that any re-brand and re-launch has to be the Complete Package otherwise it is pointless! I still feel we needed the name change, but the rest of the package re-launch has been so week, I would love to see were the support the RFL are giving has gone.

Quins RU I did expect more and especially when we adopted the name, which I supported as I felt it would bring benefits, but we were still the poor cousins and now the poor tenants, I did feel that their name would have assisted with sponsorship when you look at the major brands they enjoy, but that goes back to the
presumptive Up Market image of Union, not the product at times which can be a bore!

I live in the real world and for 30 odd years have done as much as I can, many players shirts sponsorships, match balls, academy sponsorship and support as well as buying like you merchandise, I also have done as much with my media contacts to promote our club and the game in London, but that is what you do as a loyal supporter!

Well I disagree and it is my personal opinion the west has been tried and the last few years is proof it has failed, sadly now any investment in marketing with the state of the club and on field performances is a Total Waste of Money! to Market you need the right Product and ours is not right. East us flawed is your opinion and I respect it but again I disagree! I feel it is more of an area that we could develop in and a lot of money has been pumped into the amateur game and youth development there, that is my opinion!

I sat on many management boards and we had some strong discussions and most of the time our product was spot on, but I can assure you we walked out of those board rooms as mates and friends and worked together to ensure we always got it right, even if the choice was not always our own, if London is going to Survive and that is the stage we are getting to we need to work together, its no use having different camps, we may not agree all the time but we should on that it will be sad and disappointing if a London Super League club is allowed to fail.

Union's popularity is not presumptive - you just need to look at their fan base to tell they are cut above the rabble of toothless goons we call supporters

That Darth is so funny .....but sadly so true