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I don't see anyway to get into SL and make an impact in the current ground it's small and in the middle of nowhere.
The new Wimbledon ground is a bit more central with good transport links.abs AFC Wimbledon are a club on the way up. The capacity starts off at 11,000 and will be extended to 20,000.
The most important thing is that it needs to be a long term decision.

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I think in its current guise DH is running the club down. Until we get significant investment I doubt there will be any radical change.

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I think it could be a good thing, both for Rugby League in London and for AFC Wimbledon.
However it needs vision and long term commitment. There does not seem to be much of that around at the club at the moment.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: The Daddy "I don't see anyway to get into SL and make an impact in the current ground it's small and in the middle of nowhere.
The new Wimbledon ground is a bit more central with good transport links.abs AFC Wimbledon are a club on the way up. The capacity starts off at 11,000 and will be extended to 20,000.
The most important thing is that it needs to be a long term decision.'"

It's 2017.....not 2007. A decade ago maybe but as it stands, AFC Wimbledon would be better starting their own club up......what would bring to the party other than 500 (at best) fans?

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The 3 professional rugby league clubs in london are not making the best of it, why would starting another be sensible.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



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Why do you say that?'"

Because all we'd bring is 500 fans......that's why.

The London Broncos brand is tarnished with 2 decades of mistakes and mismanagement...better to restart anew with someone like Perez on board rather than an investor who wants total control over all aspects even though by their own admission they know nothing about running a club (read a pastel revolution)....

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Couple of things, if another club were to start up in south london where would there fans come from?
And can't agree that the broncos brand is tarnished! Remember changing the name and re branding to the Quins? In a lot of people's eyes they were still the broncos

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Couple of things, if another club were to start up in south london where would there fans come from?'"

South London I'd hope......where did Perez find his 7k Toronto fans? Oh that's right......HE MARKETED THE CLUB UNTIL HE COULDN'T STAND......
Quote: northernbloke "And can't agree that the broncos brand is tarnished! '"
How is it not? Handed a place at the top table the club did nothing and I mean between 1996-2014.....absolutely nothing to promote themselves to a wider audience or build a business model that was ever going to be sustainable. Not just Hughes, but all the other owners including Branson who for all his billions proved to be a clueless idiot who thought (like many other RL club owners) that sticking posts in the ground and announcing KO times was enough. Gridiron is a game as alien to your average Londoner as League is.......yet how come the NFL can fill stadiums in London with 2 teams full of American players that most English people have never heard of? Tennis is hardly on everyone's weekend things to do yet Wimbledon sees a scramble for tickets......The Boat Race sees people who couldn't find either Oxford or Cambridge on a map flock to the banks of the Thames each year, horse racing isn't eve a sport....it's just a reason to employ short people but the Grand National sees grannies buying the racing post...this weekend just gone will have seen close to 250,000 fans attend 4 Union friendlies across the British Isles generating tens of Millions in income.......it's not about the sport, IT'S HOW YOU SELL IT! The Broncos is a Brand that has nothing going for it...the chances are that if you asked 20 people on a London street what sport we played you'd get a majority say Gridiron...it's worse than tarnished, it's unknown!


Quote: northernbloke "Remember changing the name and re branding to the Quins? In a lot of people's eyes they were still the broncos'"

This has been done to death...... We've LOST 4,000 regular fans in a dozen years and maybe 20 or 25 of those left because of Quins RL......if you think otherwise then there's little hope for you.
We've moved countless times, changed and reverted back to our name, moved some more and achieved little other than a fluke Cup appearance and LMS and Tony Clubb have gone north and are doing well......from 1996 to 2017 that is all we have to show for probably 100,000,000 quid in income and a bucketload of wasted opportunities and terrible appointments.

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You are dreaming dog! You are not going to get the residents of Wimbledon or st reatham or Brixton to come flocking to watch the flat capers game.
How did Toronto do it? It's new! It's summat different! Those fictional 7000 (more like 4 or 5) are watching something new, it's an unknown over there it isn't here.
You mention gridiron being alien to south Londoners as much as league, utter tosh, it's because it's American and for some odd reason over here we think everything American we have to do.
What's the difference with rugby league generally and your other events? RU yawnion internationals terrestrial tv and how many pages dedicated to it in the papers? The grand national! Terrestrial tv and one off annual event, Wimbledon terrestrial tv newspaper coverage the boat race newspaper coverage, terrestrial tv, women's cricket, men's cricket see where am going with this
International rugby league yep terrestrial to but nothing elsewhere.
Club rugby! Nothing. So is it london broncos or the sport itself?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "You are dreaming dog! You are not going to get the residents of Wimbledon or st reatham or Brixton to come flocking to watch the flat capers game.'"

That's the spirit! :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke ""oh how the media hate us" never actually said that, I said that all those events you mentioned were covered by terrestrial tv, no coverage therefore little interest which bleeds over into the papers, purely stating the fact, didn't suggest it's because they hate us!'"

There's been pretty good newspaper coverage in the UK of this current world cup and England games are live on BBC whilst the rest is available on premiere. It is not the job of the media to promote any sport....it is the job of that sports administrators


Quote: northernbloke "British being British, am an old bloke in my youth we had school discos not prom night! Halloween was largely ignored, now we have a strange American tradition of trick or treat, apparently we now have Black Friday!!! Spot a trend?'"

Halloween is an Irish tradition and Black Friday is SELLING IT!!!! Gridiron get's pitiful viewing figures on SKY, yet they ram Wembley/Twickenham for events.....by SELLING IT.
Quote: northernbloke "If rugby league was so well known in Toronto why were the first two games against English cities of london and Oxford? '"
...another clever instance of SELLING IT!

Quote: northernbloke "Apparently because keighley and hunslet would have raised the question of who? So massive in depth knowledge of the game displayed there!'"

SELLING IT.......don't knock them, applaud them! It's not like we haven't had a helping hand from the RFL now and then......there was that 100k of marketing budget bunged to our landlord which was never spent on marketing but secured us as tenants.

Quote: northernbloke "Saarf london am sure Brixton, Staines/Richmond, Elmbridge, st Mary's, beckenham, storm, marlins, Guildford, all the schools that play in the south would be really pleased to hear you are aware of them.'"

And there was you asking where the fans would come from?
Quote: northernbloke "As for selling it, actually I agree but its at a national level the game fails in marketing not at club level.'"

The Club have never tried selling themselves.......every time the RFL or their agencies tried to help they have been rebuffed. The RFL manage to get good crowds in London....even Wigans trip to the Den did better than we could....it's not the game it is the Club.

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Newspaper coverage of the WC has been abysmal.
England games on BBC exactly that's it! Premier sport is a niche minority sport platform. And did I say anything about who should be promoting the sport, I merely point out the reason why it's a minority sport in the uk.
Halloween has grown from the USA nowhere else.
Don't agree about American football, it's the desire to grab anything American.
Black Friday point proven, lets be the 51 st state.
London and Oxford chosen because no one knew anything about rugby league so they had to choose names they might know, e.g. No one knows anything about the sport.
Ask anyone to name a rugby league team, if they can it will be wigan, what does that trip to the den prove?
As for the south london players, setting up a team closer to them is going to drag em in is it? Those that watch the game already do! Those that don't are not all of a sudden going to start watching the Wimbledon Wombles

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke " the Wimbledon Wombles'"

Somehow you've got us back on Thread icon_lol.gif

Regardless of the perception of RL as a minority sport, the way to raise awareness is through hard work, money spent on media and other channels and more hard work. Given that we only have access to the money but the bloke with that money would rather spend it on renting a wedding venue and god only knows what else....but not marketing or promotion then I repeat that the London Broncos as a club is a tarnished brand that has lost over 4,000 fans and would have trouble attracting any more than 1,500 if they were ever to get back to Superleague.

Rugby League events in London are well attended. Even the 2 WCC warm up matches we were "gifted' attracted bigger gates than we got during the season because they were marketed by the RFL as events, but it's like a marketing person once ran over DH's cat....he would rather employ 2 more MacKays and a Powell than spend a cent on promoting the club.....he genuinely believed that changing our name back to the Broncos was going to bring the crowds back.......that is the most shocking thing. icon_rolleyes.gif .......even the imaginary flowers on a round-a-bout would have achieved more icon_lol.gif

As for Wimbledon? Why? Every time a new stadium is announced someone suggests we move there, but what would be the point when we wouldn't tell anyone we were there and just expect them to flock to see the greatest game once we announce the KO time. And how many of the 800 or so that we averaged this year would travel south?

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