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| The fact that we do not seem to have a club, so perhaps, no dog in the fight.so it may mean nothing to us.
Where do people think that London Broncos will be placed, when the gradings are released on 23rd October?
Now I think that Broncos will be placed just outside the Super League places. Then it will be said.
Nice try, sorry about that. Come back in a few years and try again. It's M62 +one for the future.
All pretty academic really, with the uncertain state of our club.
I myself am interested in how other clubs handle what they are given. Somewhere along the line there will be some kind of bust up. It will get very ugly, I am sure.
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| It will be really interesting wakey! Cas! Toulouse! One at least going to be very upset, sadly I think I know the way it's gonna go, hope am wrong
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| I know from speaking to their fans after the away game. That they feared that they would lose out.
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| I suppose a lot may depend on what changes are made to thee criteria or how the evidence produced by the clubs is "interpreted". We know, because the owner said so, that Catalan expect to lose points. However that wouldn't appear to put their position as Cat A at risk. There is also a significant gap in the "indicative" grading between Hull in 7th & Salford in 8th, that I would have thought wouldn't be closed.
You might expect Huddersfield to drop some points, Toulouse too as they struggle with sponsors/investment while in the Championship. Leigh have done more than enough to be in the top12 scoring clubs but I don't think Wakefield & Cas have, so 1 or both may miss out. The RFL have done all they can to bump up Bradfarts into the top 12 & may get there by the default of others.
What will be interesting to know is how
Wigan, Salford, Huddersfield & London score on stadium as they are all in the same situation & capacity rarely comes into play. If London' catchment area is not changed, should Rhino's be limited to just Metropolitan Leeds?
IMG are quoted as wanting to settle the grading first before looking at the Capital, Women & Wheelchair but that might be a bit late. My view for what it's worth is they should have sorted the structure first, & that has to be a 14 team competition playing 26 games. Get rid of the pathetic very little magic weekend (another marketing failure in Rhino's back yard).
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| Our indicative grading was 8.07 points (ranked 24th, the last of the Grade B's). Teams who would just miss out on SL had indicative rankings of over 12 points i.e. 4 points better. I don't see us making up that gap.
Fandom - we should pick up points as average home crowd has been >3,000 compared to <1,500 last season (+ 1.25 points), also digital should be up though pretty much a guess as to how much (+0.5 points)
Performance - rankings are calculated over 3 seasons so we drop a 6th place finish in Championship and gain a 12th place finish in SL (+ 0.5 points)
Finance - the key factor here is non centralised turnover (averaged over 3 seasons), Difficult to assess as accounts do not disclose previous turnover. It should be up though, primarily becuase crowds are up. I suspect could be up by around ยฃ0.5m. However, when averaged over 3 years I doubt this gains us any points due to thresholds.
Stadium - I don't believe anything has changed in terms of the stadium other than utilisation. Capacity is 9,215. Utilisation is averaged over three years. We will drop the the dismal 2021 home average for this seasons approx 3,000 average (+0.1 points)
Community - don't believe anything will change in this scoring
So overall I think we will be looking at a score of around 10.5 points. If all other clubs stayed the same (unlikely) this would move us up 8 places to 16th.
What the rankings are unlikely to reflect is that without funding and in all likelihood a worse ground (if we could somehow continue) our grading should really be taking a nosedive.
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| Think you are pretty close to the mark Buzz with your scores for us, just not sure what if anything teams 14 to 23 have done to enhance their position. I guess if it becomes Wakie or Cas fighting for that 12th spot, the vitriol will be worse than when it was suggested they merge. Could be fun though from the sidelines. Who knows we may be Hovis by 23rd anyway.
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| The club (in today's press release) are expecting a 50% increase in grading score.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"The club (in today's press release) are expecting a 50% increase in grading score.'"
Have you had a go at trying to find a 50% increase yet Buzz? Seems a little unlikely unless everyone else has gone up in bucketloads.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Have you had a go at trying to find a 50% increase yet Buzz? Seems a little unlikely unless everyone else has gone up in bucketloads.'"
The only thing different to my previous posting, where I thought we might increase to around 10.5 points, is that in today's press release the club highlighted that they announced this year it would take sole responsibility of โThe London Rugby League Foundationโ. I had assumed they would already be getting the 1 point available for this. If they weren't, then maybe that gets us to around 11.5 points.
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| Does anyone else think itโs really odd that we bust a gut, financed by David Hughes, to get our points score up (except for strengthening playing squad) and then, in essence put the front door keys through the letter box at the 11th hour and walked off. Surely getting the points score up was either part of a long term strategy or an enticement to bring in new owners. Hopefully it will work in terms of the latter.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"The only thing different to my previous posting, where I thought we might increase to around 10.5 points, is that in today's press release the club highlighted that they announced this year it would take sole responsibility of โThe London Rugby League Foundationโ. I had assumed they would already be getting the 1 point available for this. If they weren't, then maybe that gets us to around 11.5 points.'"
Do we gain any points for being apparently now debt free?
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Do we gain any points for being apparently now debt free?'"
Not that I can see. You do get rewarded for either an equity injection (i.e. share capital) or long-term loan to the club of greater than ยฃ500k (averaged over three previous accounting periods). I assume we already gained the full 0.5 points for that.
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| So we are 14th as was predicted and Wakey step.up.
Back to M62 plus one,
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So we were awarded a grading of B with 12.65 points. That moves us from 24th to 14th. More than I expected even factoring in we must previously have not been awarded the point for the foundation. The RFL article confirms our rise was 'helped considerably by the launch of the clubโs first Community Foundation in the last year'.
https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... s-for-2024
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So we were awarded a grading of B with 12.65 points. That moves us from 24th to 14th. More than I expected even factoring in we must previously have not been awarded the point for the foundation. The RFL article confirms our rise was 'helped considerably by the launch of the clubโs first Community Foundation in the last year'.
https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... s-for-2024
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| Is there a central breakdown of everyone's scores in the various metrics?
Be interesting to know what level of independent verification goes into the data provided by clubs. I though Cougars were too much of a basket case to make those strides.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Is there a central breakdown of everyone's scores in the various metrics? '"
I've not seen any breakdown. Maybe that will come later or perhaps clubs can decide whether to communicate or not.
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| Oh for a 14 team superleague, eh?
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| Quote ="RfE"Oh for a 14 team superleague, eh?'"
Couldn't agree more & not because we're 14th. It just validates the competition with no daft loop fixtures & a way out of the magic less weekend. Sure the SL clubs will get a bit less but if IMG are about increasing revenue, let the clubs get out there & secure it. But of course self interest wins again as it's easier to wait for your handout than source it yourself.
Let's hope those people who were waiting for the grading to come out are interested enough to get involved.
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| firstly, congratulations to all at the club who have contributed to achieving this 50% hike. I'd temper this with a nod to IMG who it would seem have dragged the sport and its club owners to the trough that is "21st Century CRM & Marketing".
Secondly, I would ask how do make the next step up without investment......which dovetails nicely into
thirdly.....IMAGINE IF THEY HAD DONE ALL THIS LOCAL ENGAGEMENT ,MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY BACK IN 2009????
Sorry, but the bit of the clubs statement that makes me angry is;
Quote This is a strong reflection of the hard work that has been put in by the club as a whole since the indicative gradings were announced last year'" .
Fxxx Off Loubser. You stole a wage for a decade and if anone gives you a job after this one, I hope they fully investigage exactlynwhat it is you achieved through "hard work" over the first 9 years before IMG essentially forced Hughes' hand.
If theyd done all thia in 2009 we would he a grade A club and in Superleague!
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| Quote ="orangeman"firstly, congratulations to all at the club who have contributed to achieving this 50% hike. I'd temper this with a nod to IMG who it would seem have dragged the sport and its club owners to the trough that is "21st Century CRM & Marketing".
Secondly, I would ask how do make the next step up without investment......which dovetails nicely into
thirdly.....IMAGINE IF THEY HAD DONE ALL THIS LOCAL ENGAGEMENT ,MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY BACK IN 2009????
Sorry, but the bit of the clubs statement that makes me angry is;
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Fxxx Off Loubser. You stole a wage for a decade and if anone gives you a job after this one, I hope they fully investigage exactlynwhat it is you achieved through "hard work" over the first 9 years before IMG essentially forced Hughes' hand.
If theyd done all thia in 2009 we would he a grade A club and in Superleague!'"
You aren't wrong GF. But are you like me debating if you go full menbership, 40-20 or write the club off ? I am undecided at present. For instance, what does ยฃ350k get us ? If the target is not reached then what ? Too many qs.
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| Quote ="Reboot"You aren't wrong GF. But are you like me debating if you go full menbership, 40-20 or write the club off ? I am undecided at present. For instance, what does ยฃ350k get us ? If the target is not reached then what ? Too many qs.'"
I bought a ST last year and my daughter or her friends used it occasionally. I would have bought a quartered shirt but am at the risk of divorce if I add to my increasingly NZ Warriors themed wardrobe, but this year they get nowt from me until I know EXACTLY what the money will be spent on. I will not pay a cent towards Loubser's' wages should he remain and in reality believe he should pay back 9 years wages where he essentially took what Hughes gave him and acted as a payroll clerk!
40-20 Memberships aren't a bad idea for expats like me, but I suspect 20% off selected merchandise means those black T-shirts or an infamous bobble hat and not a playing shirt.
On that topic. The club will need to have found ยฃ350k or a new sugar daddy by November 10th to have any shirts in the shop by xmas......or does anyone believe that will happen before Loubser secures his salary?
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| Quote ="orangeman"40-20 Memberships aren't a bad idea for expats like me, but I suspect 20% off selected merchandise means those black T-shirts or an infamous bobble hat and not a playing shirt. '"
That's it, orangeman. Outside now! Bobble hat is the best thing at the Broncos since McLinden .
More seriously, I wonder if we'd been placed 14th in the IMG rankings last year, rather than 24th, whether the club might have approached this season differently.
And then I sober up.
Of course they wouldn't.
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| Quote ="Benny Profane"More seriously, I wonder if we'd been placed 14th in the IMG rankings last year, rather than 24th, whether the club might have approached this season differently.
And then I sober up.
Of course they wouldn't.'"
It's a hypothetical question because we got the provisional rating we deserved but I think it could have been very different.
Hughes didn't invest in the squad because relegation was predetermined. If we'd been ranked 14th we would have had every reason to recruit more quality into the squad and had a fighting chance of staying in SL.
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| Eccles seems like a decent bloke and, with what he was given last year in SL, a more than decent coach. Try to keep hold of him.
Best wishes from someone in the (much maligned) M62 belt.
Ps: there are no railway stations anywhere on the M62 either.
All the Best!
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Cake is doing his best to sell the club to investors and makes a good point that it is probably now or never for someone to come in. He is without doubt the best asset the club currently has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl-LKAjZfK4
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