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| Quote: orangeman "It would seem that announcing attendances is becoming a thing of the past, with AFC Wimbledon reticent to declare crowds. The 'opening day" thriller on their return to Plough Lane didn't sell out.....and Wimbledon don't appear to be declaring any gates unlike the rest of their division!
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This raises the question "How much do they need us"?.....or even "do we need them"?
We can safely assume that the CEO has convinced DH that his is a vital move if the club is to survive, but if the good folk of Merton aren't prepared to follow their local football club, risen from the ashes and back where they belong, then what exactly are the club expecting in terms of interest for an alien sport?
Have a look at the video on Youtube for the highlights of AFC V Portsmouth from early September. The far stand is empty, the terrace at one end is empty, the away fans at the other end is 1/4 full at best.....so even if the stand where the cameras are placed was full, they are looking at 3k maximum.
so, if only 2,700 Wimbledon fans can be bothered (I know it was a cup match) to see their side back at their spiritual home, how the hell are we going to get families from the borough to games?
£200,000 mate? That'll do nicely
I think you’ve taken some information and used in to support a pre decided agenda.
Try and get an AFC Wimbledon ticket. There is ONE available for the next home game and that doesn’t really exist as the flawed Ticket System has to hold one “ghost” ticket not to collapse. There were ten yesterday. That’s a big team; Sheffield Wednesday. But a smaller profile team today (Burton) had ten singles available yesterday; and they were returns going on late sale.
Capacity is 9,200. Every game has (I believe) been sold out in terms of you can’t buy a ticket. There are a few seats short of 1,000 in Hospitality. 1,465 Away fan designated. So less than 6,750 to the general fan. Since the Bolton game (test event) two sections of seating have been temporarily take out of use until some safety changes are applied (related to segregation). Match category level also impacts the seats made available.
It’s not lack of interest but the club screwing up on the ticketing system.
AFC Wimbledon’s new ticketing system has been a disaster. The club have lost money as they’ve been unable to sell empty seats. A number of seats are Debentures. Those fans have until five days before a match to purchase. Otherwise they go on general sale; except the club have been unable to get them on sale. Season Ticket holders unable to attend and informing the club are finding their seats have also gone unsold. There have been people on social media livid they have seen empty seats and have been unable to purchase as the matches are sold out. Followed by fans annoyed their returned (Debenture or Season Ticket) seats went unsold and unused.
A League 1 club just isn’t going to sell out Hospitality. It’s an investment. Burton brought less than 400 fans today; so over 1,000 seats empty in the Away section. Today’s attendance was 7,413, so 1,800 under capacity. Over a 1,000 were Burton unable to sell / Away seats that couldn’t be sold for safety reasons. Hospitality will account for much of the remainder.
I should point out everybody thought Bolton was a sellout. The match reports are published within 2 hours and I assume the reporter believed it was around 9,000; most fans did. He had no access to the (secret) reality.
I anticipate the Sheffield Wednesday match being over 8,000. They will sell every Away Seat they are allowed (currently capped at 1,000 so nearly 500 seats lost there).
Why choose Portsmouth of all the matches on You Tube? Take a look at Oxford before or Plymouth after perhaps. Only the Main Stand was made available (3,300ish plus 1,000 hospitality). The (limited that day) reduced hospitality sold out. The Main Stand was effectively full. The club underestimated the level of interest based on previous seasons. We gave up trying to eat before or at half time as the queues were huge. My estimate on the day was 4,000+. There were significantly more than 300 Portsmouth supporters by the way. Two blocks to the left can’t be seen by the camera’s and tend to be well populated by the less vociferous away supporters. I reckoned 800 on the night. The You Tube video you watched says 800. Portsmouth themselves claim 835.
Now context. If I’m right, then that is possibly a top three attendance in the competition so far this year. Sheffield Wednesday had 6,500 (average 22,500 league) and Ipswich 4,200 (average 19,500 league). Something I learnt is “hardcore” fans hate the competition and a lot boycott it. The AFC Wimbledon attendance was heavily non hardcore. Portsmouth by the way had home attendances of 2,011 against Gillingham in their group stage, and 3,313 against Peterborough in the next round in 2018-2019. Then 3,784 and 2,413 in their equivalent 2019-2020 matches. They did up it to 14,735 for the Semi Final against Exeter to reach Wembley!
AFC Wimbledon fans have been scathing about the non-available seats and the failure to publish attendances. The view is the club don’t know. They certainly don’t know how many people enter the ground (last match they gave up trying to scan our tickets and waved us through). They do know what they’ve sold (you hope). It’s not clear whether published attendances are sold tickets (consensus is yes) or those in the ground. The two published attendances were slyly added to the website a fortnight late. I suspect the club are under pressure to sort out the accuracy including for legal reasons.
I believe for the vast majority of matches there will be no tickets available come match day.
I think Broncos have over payed for being a tenant by the way based on their likely income. With the recent changes for the Broncos I wouldn't rule out AFC Wimbledon reaching a compromise based on crowd sizes though.
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| Quote: crashmon "Will they turn this around and have some kids entertainment, some half time activities, some form of branding, some form of profiles of the London club and players, mascots back (Buck and Dusty) for Whitehaven. I'm not holding my breath'"
Not even Buck and Dusty. Jeez, the lazy s.
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| Hi crashmon,
Not at all. I've felt very welcomed by everybody on this forum. I can also feel the scars that have built up over the years. Even if the running of the club was perfect, I can't imagine the inconvenience of moving around London multiple times as a supporter.
I'm also conscious that me referring to AFC Wimbledon too often is going to indirectly grate on people. There is much wrong with that football club, so it's certainly not all rosier over there.
It is hard to see where the Broncos go from here if it's not a success in Wimbledon simply because it does feel an element of rock bottom by having to go part-time and likely finishing lower than at anytime in their history.
It's a tricky sport when teams are unevenly matched. Basketball is similar in that it can be so one sided. A sport such as football where their can be limited scores can keep the result on edge even with one team dominating. It's generally not too hard to follow a team near the bottom of a league (ten in eleven seasons for AFC Wimbledon probably!). It's the matches against the likes of Featherstone and Leigh which are going to be a tough watch, especially for somebody at their first match.
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| As someone from North London the move to South West London was neither convenient or welcome for me personally but, by fault or design, a relaunch was needed and a move to Wimbledon was felt a strong choice. I can see the force of that argument. The issue for me, and I think quite a few others, has mainly been the total disconnect between investing heavily in a relaunch (rent to the Dons and 2 training ground providers, advertising) whilst appearing to reduce investment in the playing and non playing staff by an unprecedented level. Not only do we risk undoing all the good work (and wasting good will with Dons supporters and upfront advertising campaigns) by having a non competitive side but we don’t seem to even have the back room staff to deliver all the little day to day things like marketing, match day experience, fan engagement, merchandise even things as micro as having mascots and keeping the website up to date. A side that is liable to be comfortably beaten by many of its competitors is not likely to maximise its potential. It’s easy to criticise and it’s easy to spend other people’s money but the big spend on the ground had to, in some way, be balanced by some kind of spend on playing and back room operation. The consensus on this forum appeared to be that the 1st 3 home games were a good guide to where we are: 3 reasonable sides but ones we would historically beat. If we lose all 3 and the games are over at half time as per Widnes: something would need to be done or this could get messy. The answer isn’t to keep recruiting from Skolars, who perennially come one from last in the league below and frankly adverts can draw people in but they stay because they enjoy the experience and much of that is about what is dished up on field. At a time where we all want to be optimistic there is a real threat we might end up in a relegation dog fight and an unintended consequence of our recruitment policy may well be that only the chaos at WWR and the obvious challenges of Cornwall working out will stop Skolars from losing every week and finishing bottom of the pile.
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| DH needs to get rid of the monkey and possibly the lobster and apologise to all the fans which have been told not to come back because these two did not want listen to very helpful constructive advice of years long fans. Most of the fans they have barred are longstanding fans with anything from 17 to 27 years standing. Also apologise to fans that have been removed from the forum etc. Until these two go and new knowledgeable people are appointed the club will never prosper
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| Quote: itsmeagain "DH needs to get rid of the monkey and possibly the lobster and apologise to all the fans which have been told not to come back because these two did not want listen to very helpful constructive advice of years long fans. Most of the fans they have barred are longstanding fans with anything from 17 to 27 years standing. Also apologise to fans that have been removed from the forum etc. Until these two go and new knowledgeable people are appointed the club will never prosper'"
David Hughes doesn't take advice from anyone. It's his club and in his eyes he and his appointed staff can do no wrong......when we were relegated it was 100% down to his reaction to a hammering by Wigan in the cup, when we ruined the relationship with quins it was 100% down to his employing inept CEOs, when we opted to look away from Ealing it was again down to a breakdown in he relationship with the landlords.....
Brentford, Harlequins and even Ealing Trailfinders all seem to be doing fine without us ![IDEA a046.gif](images/smilies//a046.gif)
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