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| Quote: Call Me God "It makes little difference to us or our aspirations or lack of them. Without the Argyle/Beaumont aggressive buying of a squad and bankrolling further when promoted we will shuffle along in the upper half of the 2nd tier until our retired owner vanishes.......and then it's down to the Skolars level and beyond.
What it means for the game is that the top teams (Wigan/Saints/Leeds/Wire/FC) with the sustainable business model will grow, the middle sides (Castleford, Catalan) will strive and the rest will scramble to avoid the drop like they did back in the day and when the money men die off, the likes of Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield, Widnes and Toronto will join us chasing scraps from the top table......it's all about financial sustainability.....something we've never been good at.'"
I'm always intrigued as to why Cas seem to be looked upon as more sustainable, bigger, and with more potential than, say, Wakefield? They both have dumps for grounds with promises of new ones going back many years (over 40 in the case of Cas), neither has a sugar Daddy with real wealth and both have been in the financial mire in the not too distant past (Wake with a CVA[?] and Cas within 15mins of going out of business, both during the licencing period that was supposedly going to see the end of that sort of thing). Cas are some £3million in hock to the Fulton family and have been quite fortunate that when Jack Fulton died his heirs didn't demand the money back as was widely expected to happen. Furthermore, Wakefield is a city of some 100,000+ people, whereas Cas is a town of around 40,000 and by some distance the smallest metropolis of all the teams in SL.
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| Quote: Bostwick "I recently spent some time in hospital. A friend bought me in The Rothmans RL Yearbook 1997 to read. Contained within are Club attendances from seasons 1988-89 through to 1996.
London average crowds were 588 in 88-89 rising to 5699 in 1996.
What surprised me most was in 1996 our attendances were the sixth largest in Super League. Bigger crowds that year than. Warrington, Castleford, Halifax, Sheffield, Workington and Oldham.
We did market ourselves then. Five pound vouchers in The Sun for example. Plus we had a good team getting good results. Happy days.'"
Oh those days of average crowds of 588. Must have been the Chiswick/Crystal Palace era I think..and I’m glad we never had mobile phones in those days ..some of the players antics then makes the Tomkins brothers sound like choirboys !!
Can think of a dozen or so players that liked to socialise as I write !
Fun days ![Smile icon_smile.gif](images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote: Mr Dog "I'm always intrigued as to why Cas seem to be looked upon as more sustainable, bigger, and with more potential than, say, Wakefield?'"
9,525 was the average attendance at Castleford in 2017.....5,289 was the number at Wakefield...one club is closer to 10k than the other and those extra fans make them closer to self sustainability.
10k average is the self sufficiency number....and that's with the SKY cash.......every fan below 10,000 means £15/£20 less income and £15/£20 needed to be found from elsewhere.........thus, currently, Wakefield aren't as close to sustainability as Castleford and therefore by association are bigger and are more sustainable whilst filling more of their potential.
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| Quote: northernbloke "Just saying that griffin park was not 5k.
Potential for 5 is always there, as we have done it in the past.'"
I don't think I said it was 5k at Griffin Park, but 4k is clearly a lot closer to it than 500. Different times have different potential to be sustainable. We are a long way from that now not least because there is very little attempt to build the crowds.
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| Quote: Call Me God "9,525 was the average attendance at Castleford in 2017.....5,289 was the number at Wakefield...one club is closer to 10k than the other and those extra fans make them closer to self sustainability.
10k average is the self sufficiency number....and that's with the SKY cash.......every fan below 10,000 means £15/£20 less income and £15/£20 needed to be found from elsewhere.........thus, currently, Wakefield aren't as close to sustainability as Castleford and therefore by association are bigger and are more sustainable whilst filling more of their potential.'"
So Cas are currently attracting 22% of the town's population - a figure that is not only going to be difficult to grow but also a bit of an outlier in terms of their usual numbers over the years - a very good season last year on the playing front having I'd say a pretty significant effect on those numbers and once their on field success wanes (at it will) numbers will drop again. Another factor against them growing much more is that even if they do actually get a new ground the published plan is for a stadium wirh a capacity of 10000 so they will have to be selling out EVERY week to become sustainable (based on your figures). If the plan really is to grow the game and attract new, significant money, it won't happen with the current incumbents remaining.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "So Cas are currently attracting 22% of the town's population - a figure that is not only going to be difficult to grow but also a bit of an outlier in terms of their usual numbers over the years - a very good season last year on the playing front having I'd say a pretty significant effect on those numbers and once their on field success wanes (at it will) numbers will drop again. Another factor against them growing much more is that even if they do actually get a new ground the published plan is for a stadium wirh a capacity of 10000 so they will have to be selling out EVERY week to become sustainable (based on your figures). If the plan really is to grow the game and attract new, significant money, it won't happen with the current incumbents remaining.'"
If you want to p!ss on Castleford, either do it on their board or on the Wakey one, but on here....and as a 100% NEUTRAL....... Castleford are the bigger and better supported team to the outside observer....this is based on facts and not what you or any other bar room annalist and their mother think.....just facts......like cash, the things you can touch, feel and take to the Bank! ![SUBMISSION c020.gif](images/smilies//c020.gif)
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15 |
427 |
170 |
257 |
26 |
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St.Helens |
16 |
429 |
170 |
259 |
22 |
Warrington |
16 |
406 |
213 |
193 |
22 |
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16 |
397 |
217 |
180 |
22 |
Salford |
16 |
317 |
308 |
9 |
22 |
Catalans |
16 |
304 |
234 |
70 |
20 |
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Leeds |
16 |
291 |
286 |
5 |
18 |
Huddersfield |
16 |
298 |
365 |
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12 |
Leigh |
15 |
270 |
250 |
20 |
11 |
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16 |
246 |
435 |
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9 |
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16 |
218 |
496 |
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4 |
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156 |
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366 |
28 |
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217 |
165 |
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230 |
123 |
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344 |
186 |
158 |
17 |
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327 |
269 |
58 |
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396 |
283 |
113 |
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Doncaster |
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341 |
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339 |
305 |
34 |
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14 |
217 |
320 |
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344 |
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405 |
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424 |
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393 |
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