I agree with that.Group of them a couple of seasons ago were awful.About 25 of them.Real windowlickers.Hopefully with their club on the up they won't be so noticeable with the higher numbers. I remember now mentioning to my brother how bad the Salford lot were and he pointed out the clue was in the name

So we have linked with one sport....do we need to quit at the first attempt of learning? Why not try other sports as Saracens have done over the years with Olympians - Sprinters/Rowers etc just to get an understanding of the mental aspect of sports. Do I need to get a laptop and powerpoint presentation to highlight the importance of learning at every opportunity?

As for

it really is like talking to a brick wall....You think your trigger happiness with emoticons helps in arguments?

Although, no,



please stop. It's starting to make your points passive aggressive and makes it look like ramblings





I suggest being open to new things and not being close minded. Thinking outside the box or pie in the sky as you like, being creative is a great thing. If it's backs to the wall, then might as well try everything

We're here for the long road in North West London

Lets try new things.

If you think constant criticism and putting down of a club is a solution then I sincerley hope you have no connection professional or advisory with the club, because right now the Broncos need support, not more loving negativity otherwise your self fulfiling prophey will affect other curious people to the game after what was an amazing RLWC...(Some of me mates who went to Wembley have said that Eng v NZ game Semi Final was the best drama and skill set of Rugby they have ever seen and they can't wait to come to the Hive this season). Granted it won't be at that level, but at least that Semi Final has given one of the greatest adverts for Rugby League.

So if you could please turn your inane negativity to solutions please. Anyone can moan and whinge. The hardest thing is to think of solutions and have the courage of conviction to try new things without fear.



Who knows, maybe one of the many ideas could actually crack the RL code in London, then we'll be all loving loving it, one day. It CAN happen. Have faith.

Hello Rascal Bongo Stork. Great Name! Yes we have a few D--- H---- But please pass on my thanks to your brother for this great inspiration for the game due to his view's on Salford.

Are you under the impression that I have never helped, offered to help or offered viable solutions to the club?

As for current solutions, with the owner we have in place and his CEO at his right hand, only a ing lunatic would be stupid enough to want to get involved with this club as an investment/hobby opportunity. A cursory glance at the books would show that in the 5 years to 2012, 1.48 million was spent on Marketing (and Marketing wages) and delivered:
a 20% drop in attendances
a 50% drop in Season Ticket revenue
a 35% drop in match-day and ticket (non ST) revenue
Whilst the clubs cost in that period included:
a 46% INCREASE in administration costs
a 36% drop in match-day costs.

To remind listeners......we moved away from the stoop because it was costing us too much, yet the costs of actually playing there seem to have dropped?????????? In 2012 we had 322k in match-day, ticket and season ticket income and the stoop cost us 200k......the stoop wasn't the problem....hope that has cleared that up AGAIN.

I'll stop being negative when the megalomaniac lunatic who owns the club either behaves in a fit and proper manner with regards to long term development and not short term instant gratification and when he fires the useless (that's the swear filter BTW....what I typed rhymes with BLUNT) he hired to oversee the fiasco I describe above.

By the way, as for solutions to the current fiasco, it will take 20 years+ to undo the damage done in the last 3. I have the time, I have the skills and I have the passion to get the club back into SL, but unfortunately, I don't have a good enough divorce lawyer who could help me retain at least some of the funds I'd need to do it.......and I do love my wife more than the Broncos!

...and if you think the bit above about having "the skills and the passion to get the club back into SL" is all bluster and ego......I'd refer you to the clusterf^*k that has gone before and say that I would be hard pressed to do any worse!

You seem like someone with awesome statistical ability and nous and tbh it would be great to have you on board. Nice swear filter btw,ha. Good to hear about the Family first situation. Maybe one day when you have the chance you could come back on board.

With the new locations, settings etc it is hard to predict what wll happen, but I spose that is what risk management is all about. At the moment, we are all not privvy to what may have been for other options - all we know is there may have been no Broncos or a Broncos to follow with a fresh start. So as supporters we have gone with the latter.

In terms of stats re: Drops, ofcourse fan levels drop off when teams perform badly. Look at Chelsea - they were barely picking up attendances in the 70s....Forward 30s years and a benefactor stepped in. Who is to say we couldnt attact some investment with the location are at now - as Barnet FC have done (A Conference Team) with a World Wide electrical company as; TOSHIBA!?.....The key here, is to attract new supprters after one of the best adverts for RL from the RLWC as that has been the best marketing the game has ever seen. Being forward thinking and open minded will go a long way as opposed to harping on about negatives otherwise we wilil be cutting our nose to spite our face.

Onwards and upwards! #RelentlessPositivity

They email them to u if u ask

Well, actually as supporters, no we don't. There was never any need for "options" in the first place. The CEO blamed the weather, the losing team and anything else he could think of in 2011 before settling on the NAME of the club as the reason for his failure to attract fans, corporates, investors or sponsors to the club in his first year. In his second year, with the hunt for fans, corporates, investors or sponsors going worse than it had done the year before AND the name change having not delivered anything either, the GROUND became the problem. So, he fired the hand picked staff he had installed that year and blamed the residents of Twickenham for his failure.....which I am sure would upset them, that's of course, if they actually knew we existed in the first place.

Accept the current situation with a shrug of the shoulders if you wish, but I can assure you, there was never any need for us to be in this position.



Of course teams who lose also lose fans, but we are not talking about "dips" here.....this CEO has shed 40% from our average and 70% from our season tickets after arriving and saying one of his first priorities was to build crowds. I could well understand it if we had a surge in crowds who then drifted.....but we never got the surge, we simply got drops.


Bad choice of comparison and even worse choice of year.....if I wanted to see how well my new Stanley knife cut flesh or how far I could throw a dart and if it pierced a human eyeball, then the Bridge was a great place to go in the 70's and 80's....as for the increase in attendances, little to do with the Russian and a whole lot to do with the Aussie media mogul.....but I digress...


TOSHIBA don't know where or what Barnet FC is..........they are not the sponsors, but a local division is.


Of he 460,000 who attended the RLWC, I suspect that possibly 20,000 were at their first game of RL....and I am being generous. The Media have forgotten it happened and moved onto Curling........and the public outside the heartlands are probably unaware that it even happened, let alone that SL XIX has started.
The club have repeated the mistakes of the past by expecting fans to flock back to the new venue and the new team....they will spend money on "clever" marketing strategies that in the past have delivered losses, they will keep it safe and unfortunately for you and them, they will fail.
Don't get me wrong......I want so much to be proven wrong, I want the Broncos to prosper and I want then in SL, but as the Rolling stones put it so well........Painted Black.......SORRY, You Can't always get what you want........



Well intentioned but Misguided belief more like it.....

RL Clubs NORMALLY allocate a number of tickets to away clubs, which when purchased by their fans, generate a small amount of revenue (commission) to that club.
I believe that this is what the poster from the north was on about, but given they have a tiny away crew (not as small as us, but maybe a 100 or so) this will not cause their club hardship nor queues at the gate on Saturday.

We understand things did not work in Twickenham for whatever reason, so to admit when something has gone wrong and to try a new location with new staff could be something that is needed I reckon. The facilities at The Hive are some of the best even than some SL clubs have which has been said by Matt Cook in a recent video; @1:10 www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQ4RUgEMyE Plus there seems like a natural curiosity from the local community www.times-series.co.uk/sport/110 ... ommunity_/ which we need to hit hard and welcome in by being positive to a fresh start. With TK getting more and more interested into the game (he was erudite and down to earth on the Forum Day) perhaps his business acumen advice could be a much needed boost to our future, something that would not have happened had we stayed at The Stoop. The Sky involvement is true in the part of Football's rise. But talking about Chelsea specifically being a World Class jugganaut after having zero history beforehand is largely due to the Russian Oligarch, which saw mass increases in fans - worldwide. Who knows if someone sees potential in us in the future especially with our great location. TOSHIBA may have a local division, but it is still TOSHIBA emblazoned over the Barnet shirts at the moment and TOSHIBA who are going give investment for a Medical Imaging Centre at The Hive; www.times-series.co.uk/news/1101 ... ll_ground/ You can dismiss that achievment as much as you want, but I believe that is massive, for a conference club. Think what could be done with Broncos if we can convince companies of the untapped RL market right infront of them in this prime location. Re:the RLWC, it was immense. So was the Olympics! But see how the media have forgotton about that also, and that was 10x more successful in terms of Super Saturday etc...The RLWC impacted a lot of curious fans, just by that ONE game I feel, considering Challenge Cups and everything else RL related that has been on the BBC for years. However, that Tuivasa-Shek epic skill on the sideline and Shauny Johnson drama at the end along with the heart in mouth moments of Ryan Hall and the jugganaut match ups of Burgess against SBW struck a chord in neutrals/indifferent sports fans, and we need to utilize this interest. As you said, Rolling Stones said it best "but if you TRY sometimes, you get what you need"...and right now, we need to support the team and show others this fresh start with immense facilities and a Landlord who is genuinely interested in us succeeding for his pocket (and maybe his love of the game one day - he fell in love with Barnet FC, as he could have left at any time. Maybe the same with LBRL one day) is a base we can see the London Broncos settle with firm foundations in North West London. Misguided maybe, but aiming to speculate to accumulate? Definately. We really have been given a second chance after surviving from the abyss. Lets make this work GF. I know you want it to work, and by accentuating the positives than dwelling on the negatives will help. Lets do this Broncos! #RelentlessPositivty

We understand things did not work in Twickenham for whatever reason, so to admit when something has gone wrong and to try a new location with new staff could be something that is needed I reckon. The facilities at The Hive are some of the best even than some SL clubs have which has been said by Matt Cook in a recent video; @1:10 www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQ4RUgEMyE Plus there seems like a natural curiosity from the local community www.times-series.co.uk/sport/110 ... ommunity_/ which we need to hit hard and welcome in by being positive to a fresh start. With TK getting more and more interested into the game (he was erudite and down to earth on the Forum Day) perhaps his business acumen advice could be a much needed boost to our future, something that would not have happened had we stayed at The Stoop. The Sky involvement is true in the part of Football's rise. But talking about Chelsea specifically being a World Class jugganaut after having zero history beforehand is largely due to the Russian Oligarch, which saw mass increases in fans - worldwide. Who knows if someone sees potential in us in the future especially with our great location. TOSHIBA may have a local division, but it is still TOSHIBA emblazoned over the Barnet shirts at the moment and TOSHIBA who are going give investment for a Medical Imaging Centre at The Hive; www.times-series.co.uk/news/1101 ... ll_ground/ You can dismiss that achievment as much as you want, but I believe that is massive, for a conference club. Think what could be done with Broncos if we can convince companies of the untapped RL market right infront of them in this prime location. Re:the RLWC, it was immense. So was the Olympics! But see how the media have forgotton about that also, and that was 10x more successful in terms of Super Saturday etc...The RLWC impacted a lot of curious fans, just by that ONE game I feel, considering Challenge Cups and everything else RL related that has been on the BBC for years. However, that Tuivasa-Shek epic skill on the sideline and Shauny Johnson drama at the end along with the heart in mouth moments of Ryan Hall and the jugganaut match ups of Burgess against SBW struck a chord in neutrals/indifferent sports fans, and we need to utilize this interest. As you said, Rolling Stones said it best "but if you TRY sometimes, you get what you need"...and right now, we need to support the team and show others this fresh start with immense facilities and a Landlord who is genuinely interested in us succeeding for his pocket (and maybe his love of the game one day - he fell in love with Barnet FC, as he could have left at any time. Maybe the same with LBRL one day) is a base we can see the London Broncos settle with firm foundations in North West London. Misguided maybe, but aiming to speculate to accumulate? Definately. We really have been given a second chance after surviving from the abyss. Lets make this work GF. I know you want it to work, and by accentuating the positives than dwelling on the negatives will help. Lets do this Broncos! #RelentlessPositivty

Exactly. Same here!

Here is the problem I face when dealing with you lovely chaps in the optimism camp. I have no issue with your devotion and faith, but I do get riled when you make sweeping statements like this.
The rest of your post is fairly valid by the way, with Toshiba getting the shirts in exchange for the imaging units etc, although I am sure the likes of Peter Ozgood etc were household names whilst the Russian was in short pants.

Point is, the Twickenham era failed for a number of reasons, the biggest one being out of our control when the myopic RFL pulled the rug from under us...the rug being Ian Lenegan. If he'd have been allowed stay involved, the rest of the problems I am about to point out would either not have existed, or if they had, been far less of a problem than they became.

David Hughes and the RFL are not happy bedfellows. Hughes, rightly in my opinion, felt that the RFL should offer more support to him, as it is he who is essentially bankrolling THEIR expansion. That said, he does not always act with the games best interest at heart and neither does he have the business acumen as someone like Lenegan, so he will make mistakes. He is a salesman and a successful one at that, so taking advice isn't always his thing. As such.....he has employed successive CEO's who have run the business into the ground.
The residents of Twickenham were never told we had move in. Simply put, we did nothing in the way of "local" marketing, but instead made viral videos to be shown in walkabouts and handed out oyster card holders in Canary Wharf....then we offered free entry to a game in return for Facebook likes (giving us hundreds of fans in Castleford and Huddersfield) and also belatedly placed adverts with little editorial coverage in the local free sheets.

I could continue with the failings of the club at TW2, but you get the picture.....

Now, to your Brave New Dawn with hopes of attracting new fans and the potential investment they attract.

We've all heard it before......We've all seen it before and the only difference this time is that Gus has somehow managed to remove any onus of responsibility from himself, but instead, managed to get the RFL to pay the Landlord to do all the work for him. The results thus far are that the RFL seconded media guy has found the password to the website and facebook pages, but must have gone home for the weekend because it's been a tad quiet since we got murdered by the chemics and the local paper have given us some column inches.

The new landlord invests nothing, nil, nada in Barnet FC which he insists is self funding and demands that if regular fans want to save money, they subscribe to HIS way of doing things......resulting in less than spectacular sales to date.

Suddenly, blocks of 300+ seats at the Hive have become unavailable, which points to either making room for the selco banner, segregation from the 5 dozen or so salfordians, or a bulk giveaway......but I suspect that we could be looking at a very small crowd on Saturday, either way.

Nothing has changed at the club. The people charged with the important stuff are not qualified and not motivated. there is a reward available to them should they do their job, but no consequence to them if they don't.....so they won't try too hard and won't be bothered if it doesn't work......it is a recipe for failure.....failure which I am afraid to say, has become acceptable at the club.

As for on the pitch? Salford by 40!

good luck with the optimism and don't ever let b'stards like me get you down, but whatever you do, try not to look too surprised when it all turns to custard!
COYB!!!