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| Mr Rammond
I was impressed with your explanation when you predicted Huddersfield to win the LLS back in July and picked up a big win so many thanks for that.
I am similarly impressed with your view here and will invest a few quid on Hull FC out of the Giants winnings. Definitely worth a small interest at that price!
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| It is good value, they are capable of getting to the final. But their halves are invariably complete pants.
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| They were so transparently awful at the Challenge Cup Final that I find it very hard to believe they'd get to Old Trafford at all, never mind win the thing.
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| Teams who can defend properly have a base to go forwards.
Wigan scored only one try in the first 78 minutes and 30 seconds in the final and the last try was directly correlated to desperate plays, kicking early etc.
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| Quote Briscoe, Lineham, Yeaman and Crooks are all of an international standard '"
All credibility went here.
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| Their record in SL against the big 4 this year isn't too bad (playing Saints this weekend)
Lost 5
Drawn 1
Won 3
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| Quote wire quin="wire quin"All credibility went here.'"
Kirk Yeaman has been playing for Great Britain and England since 2006.
Tom Briscoe has been playing for England since 2009.
Ben Crooks is by far the highest regular English tryscoring centre with 19 tries and he looks to be as good as anyone who regularly features and is comparable to the likes of Ryan Atkins. However Crooks has greater potential than Atkins. With an absence of quality English centres he is sure to have a long international career.
Tom Lineham is the only one who could be disputed although he has scored 14 tries and played very well, there are other options. He wouldn't get past Hall and Charnley but he could certainly take the fourth spot from Ben Cockayne. With his size and physique he could certainly be an equivalent to the powerful wings that NZ and Australia tend to field.
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| In 2001 Bradford and St Helens laid claim to providing the worst Challenge Cup Final (it was played at Twickenham). A low scoring encounter played in very wet conditions similar to the Wigan v Hull Wembley final.
Bradford then beat Wigan 37-6 in the Grand Final the same season. Mark Rammond makes a very valid point that Hull are a much better deal than their odds of 50/1 suggest. Take the drab Wembley encounter out of the equation and whilst Hull may not repeat Bradford's achievement I still think they are worth a punt at the odds they are.
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| Quote Jack Marston="Jack Marston"In 2001 Bradford and St Helens laid claim to providing the worst Challenge Cup Final (it was played at Twickenham). A low scoring encounter played in very wet conditions similar to the Wigan v Hull Wembley final.
Bradford then beat Wigan 37-6 in the Grand Final the same season. Mark Rammond makes a very valid point that Hull are a much better deal than their odds of 50/1 suggest. Take the drab Wembley encounter out of the equation and whilst Hull may not repeat Bradford's achievement I still think they are worth a punt at the odds they are.'"
That Bradford team was 10 x better than this Hull team. I really can't see them winning the GF, they haven't the got the champion playmakers.
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| Whilst it was the worst Final I have ever seen, Hull did look fairly solid in defence against Wigan. However, their attack looked incredibly poor. The conditions changed the way they attacked but they still looked as though they had no leadership whatsoever.
Looking at this year's results, Hull have lost at home to Huddersfield, Catalans, Wigan and Warrington. Looking at their away form, they have lost to Leeds, Huddersfield and Catalans, drew with a poor Saints side and beat a weakened Wigan side last week.
Out of ten games this year against the sides from 1st-4th, Hull have only conceded an average 21.7 points in comparison with them scoring an average of 15.6 points in the same games.
Huddersfield would be my bet, albeit not the best bet going.
Now that Huddersfield have the League Leaders Shield sewn up, they will now face whoever finishes in 4th, which will be Wigan or Leeds who play tomorrow.
Huddersfield have beaten Wigan twice this year (22-10 and 12-30) and have beaten Leeds on all three occasions they've played (8-32, 24-8 and 40-18). A win against either guarantees the use of the horrific Club Call and although this is yet to work for the club calling their opponent, Huddersfield will be hoping that Hull KR, St Helens or Catalans are still in the competition at this point.
Warrington have beaten Huddersfield twice out of three games this year but Warrington hadn't played at full strength, out of choice may I add, for a while before the St Helens game and their may be rustiness there to capitalise upon.
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| hi Mark, I dont fancy this bet but I'd like to thank you for drawing my attention to the fabulous 4/1 Stan James were offering on Huddersfield for the LLS. I stuck £100 on - my biggest ever wager - and my £400 winnings are my 3rd best in my lifetime so a big thanks!
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