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Quote: quins2112 "Talking of ice hockey whatever happend to the London Racers?'"



They folded part way through the 2004/5 season citing the rink at Lee Valley being too dangerous and the owners not willing to carry out suitable repairs. A player had got bad facial injurys on the boards. Many believe this was a front and the real reason was there wasnt anough bums on seats (lets not go there) due to location and pretty naff rink for pro ice hockey. Putting a pro team in London aint easy. You go from a few hundred seat rinks like Ally Pally and Lee Valley too the too big like O2 Arena. The inbetween would be the Handball arena at Stratford holding a couple thousand but thats been given to a friggin basketball team. Still a glimmer of hope at the Excell Centre appartently.

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Quote: Dave Lister "I went to Maidstone vs Dulwich the other week, very enjoyable, your lot were dreadful. That said, from what I've seen, I expect Maidstone to walk the League.'"

That was our worst performance for almost three years. I felt embarrassed watching it. Seven days earlier we'd convincingly defeated Folkestone who were unbeaten and top of the table, yet for some reason our manager made wholesale team changes for Maidstone and it backfired spectacularly. We've since won three on the spin and I expect us to make the top five (play offs) with something to spare.

The league table is pretty tight after ten games or so, but Maidstone seem to be on a bit of a roll now after losing two of their first three. They ought to win that division with the crowds (and revenue) they're pulling in, as well as corporate facilities for midweek hire and a 3G pitch that can be repeatedly hired out without wear and tear being a problem. I believe they budgeted for average crowds of 800-900 and so far they're exceeding that by around 50%. (Dulwich are the next biggest club in the division with an average of 350.) You don't need Gutterfax to do the sums here!

I enjoyed the day out apart from the result (Rifle Volunteers before the match, Flower Pot afterwards) although I suspect Hamlet won't be visiting many more times as Maidstone inevitably progress up the leagues. I remember us playing them in an FA Trophy match at the old London Road greyhound stadium thirty years ago, which was fairly abysmal for watching football, so the Stones are very fortunate to get a modern purpose built football ground so close to the town centre after two decades in exile, and crowds are already as high as when they last played in the town three divisions higher. Only problem is that the ground already looks a bit too small for them. 1,989 was the attendance for Maidstone v Dulwich, with about 100 away supporters. That's the eighth level of English football, and a larger crowd than some of Broncos' Superleague fixtures this year.

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What did you think of the Rifle Volunteer? The landlord always seems offended when a customer dares to enter. Been in twice on Saturday evenings in the last year and there have been no other visitors. Once we got told to stop playing darts as his wife was asleep upstair.

Agree with regards to the size of the stadium though, I'm unsure how much room there is to develop too, especially opposite the main stand.

Can't remember when the return fixture is but you'll have to let me buy you a beer for lavishing such praise on our club icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Prince of Denmark "In fact that standard was probably briefly surpassed around 2004 when there was an NHL lock-out and some of the first line NHL players came over to play. I remember seeing London Racers v Coventry at Lea Valley. (Knights had folded by then after the London Arena closed down.) Racers had an enormous goon called Jeremy Cornish (an NHL forward) whose role was essentially to pick a fight with the best opposition player as soon as possible after the face off, get them both sin-binned, then the other bloke would be too scared to play properly for the rest of the match. I've never seen such unashamed thuggery in any sport.'"


I was at that match too and remember that incident well.Jeremy didn't ever make the NHL, though he did get invited to an NHL teams pre season camp at least once. The bloke he took on straight after face off was well known NHL enforcer Wade Belak. Sadly Wade died on 31st August 2011, the police treated it as suicide though I don't think this has been confirmed. If true, he was one of three ex NHL enforcers to take their own life in a short span causing a real debate about the role of the enforcer in the sport and the price some of them may be paying.

Jeremy Cornish is still in the UK, he is now player coach at Isle of Wight Raiders and I believe is a teacher by day. There is another NHL lock out going on at the moment and again a few NHL'ers are playing in the UK however there are no Elite League teams playing around London these days.

Bracknell Bees v Telford Tigers for me today. A broken down train having put paid to Dagenham & Redbridge v Aldershot Town.

To answer Dave's question, The Rifle Volunteer was an odd place. There were a handful of people in there and they were friendly enough, beer was in good nick but it's not somewhere I'd personally choose to drink all the time.

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I miss going to the ice hockey used to watch the Knights then the Racers then the Haringey Greyhounds at Ally Pally now cheer the Invicta Dynamos now. Well Gillingham arent doing too bad

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Quote: Dave Lister "What did you think of the Rifle Volunteer? The landlord always seems offended when a customer dares to enter. Been in twice on Saturday evenings in the last year and there have been no other visitors. Once we got told to stop playing darts as his wife was asleep upstairs. '"

I have to say that doesn't surprise me. When I arrived at the bar and greeted him with a cheery "Hello!" he eyed me warily, in the way small children look at an adult who is attempting to amuse them by playing the fool. At one point three people were simultaneously waiting politely to be served and he seemed bewildered. I think he looks a bit like Jimmy Page. (The addled white haired 65 year old version.)

Quote: Dave Lister "To answer Dave's question, The Rifle Volunteer was an odd place. There were a handful of people in there and they were friendly enough, beer was in good nick but it's not somewhere I'd personally choose to drink all the time.'"

It had thinned out by the time you popped in for a swift half. It was much busier earlier with Stones fans, and they were all very friendly. There was an academic type bloke sitting quietly in a corner doing some highbrow writing stuff while his other half was shopping, but he ended up chatting to people at the bar when he went for a second pint and got roped into going to the football instead. I like Goacher's beers, and you hardly ever see them outside the heart of Kent, but without the football crowd it would have been pretty dead in there.

Quote: Dave Lister "Agree with regards to the size of the stadium though, I'm unsure how much room there is to develop too, especially opposite the main stand.'"

I'm sure I read somewhere that they could get the capacity up to 7,000 on that site, which is more than enough for Football League. I think the budget was tight to get it up and running otherwise I'm sure they'd have made it bigger already.

Quote: Dave Lister "Can't remember when the return fixture is but you'll have to let me buy you a beer for lavishing such praise on our club Saturday 19 January. A pity it's not in March or April as we'd get a much bigger crowd at that stage of the season if both sides are in the promotion frame. Also, we still play on grass so there's always the danger of a postponement in January!

Best real ale boozer near our ground is Hooper's, five minutes walk and a Good Beer Guide regular entry. There were plenty of Stones fans in there after the game last year, which made for a good atmosphere.

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