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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"A poster after my own heart.
What I would add is the 2006 attendance figure, regardles of what the record books say, was skewed by the ridiculous crowd reported for the "double header" of 12,301. Anyone who was there will tell you that there were more people in the 2 bars during the league game than were watching the match.
As I have been ticked off for repeating (again and again and again
) my belief that if the club don't do any marketing of note then we will continue to tread water on 3,500 or there abouts, I will simply add that regardless of what the new owner(s) think thay have bought, we will be looking down the same barrells of the same shotgun in 3 years time if they don't attract at least 1,750 to 2,500 to that average....and pretty sharpish too.'"
And if u are looking down the same barrells of the shotgun in 3 years.
Would it be fair to say enoughs enough,and at least drop down a league.
And give someone else a chance,Until you prove you are really ready to come back?
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| Quote W.R.L.F.C="W.R.L.F.C"And if u are looking down the same barrells of the shotgun in 3 years.
Would it be fair to say enoughs enough,and at least drop down a league.
And give someone else a chance,Until you prove you are really ready to come back?'"
Who says we will be in superleague in three years time?
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| Quote W.R.L.F.C="W.R.L.F.C"And if u are looking down the same barrells of the shotgun in 3 years.
Would it be fair to say enoughs enough,and at least drop down a league.
And give someone else a chance,Until you prove you are really ready to come back?'"
Why have you never posted on the widnes board?
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| Quote Chris Dalton="Chris Dalton"Why have you never posted on the widnes board?'"
Him BTW......not you

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| Quins are developing the future of the game down south with fantastic results. That's why Quins will remain. Over the previous 30 years there hasn't been the same amount of development. Now this is in place it's all about the long game.
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| Quote Southern Reiver="Southern Reiver"On the Crowd debate the location has not made as much difference and there is possibly more related to the performance on the field in terms of impacting on the average crowds each year
Here are the average attendances for each season within Super league with location:
1996 5,418 Charlton 4th
1997 5,076 Stoop 2nd
1998 3,625 Stoop 7th
1999 2,935 Stoop 8th
2000 3,419 Charlton 11th
2001 3,177 Charlton 6th
2002 3,760 Griffin Park 8th
2003 3,546 Griffin Park 5th
2004 3,458 Griffin Park 10th
2005 4,038 Griffin Park 6th
2006 4,917 Stoop 7th
2007 3,395 Stoop 9th
2008 3,773 Stoop 9th
2009 3,436 Stoop 11th
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Bearing in mind the 2006 figure is boosted by teh double header with a 12,000 figure and the first ever Quins game v Saints with a c.8,500 figure, the best average in the past decade was in the year we had the most exciting and entertaining team, i.e. 2005.
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| Quote Prince of Denmark="Prince of Denmark"Bearing in mind the 2006 figure is boosted by teh double header with a 12,000 figure and the first ever Quins game v Saints with a c.8,500 figure, the best average in the past decade was in the year we had the most exciting and entertaining team, i.e. 2005.'"
Good Call.
I've also thought some crowds in the last 2 years have been much lower than announced
The most revealing thing for me is the slide in crowds since moving away from Charlton the first time. Year one at the Stoop was an even better year but the crowds dropped (my guess is that they'd have been much lower with a lower finish). Also its clear that people alarmingly stopped watching RL at the Stoop in the first 3 years there. By the time they moved back to Charlton a lot of momentum was lost and it was too late. I'm guessing that if the club had stayed at Charlton in 1997, then the 2nd finish woud have yielded a far bigger average than the 5k at the Stoop. The facts are that the Stoop has never been attractive for potential RL fans. In essence it is worth paying more rent to get bigger crowds, have a bigger profile etc
I predict sub 2k attendances next year as the norm if the clubs stays as Quins RL at the Stoop
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| Quote Lobbygobbler1="Lobbygobbler1"Good Call.
I predict sub 2k attendances next year as the norm if the clubs stays as Quins RL at the Stoop'"
I sincerely doubt it.
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| I know it`s been said many times but I cannot help but remind people.........sharing with a football team does not work for Quins and never has. No sooner will the RL season have started than as the `tenant` we will have to play `on the road` games because the pitch needs re-seeding etc.......it destroys the season, the fan base and any new following that you are trying to capture.
The Stoop is a great facility and a big asset for our club regardless of the fact we are now paying rent. I travel from South London and many fans have to travel a whole lot further, but I would not want to move from the Stoop.....(DH funding issues aside) what has been lacking is success on the pitch and a good, sustained marketing campaign. I just wish the RU side of the club would take up the challenge on the latter, they turned it round for themselves (be it in an RU area) and clearly have the skills and systems to make a go of it......we would be better off paying for their services and structure rather than reinventing the wheel and trying to go it alone.
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| Quote Under the sticks="Under the sticks"I know it`s been said many times but I cannot help but remind people.........sharing with a football team does not work for Quins and never has. No sooner will the RL season have started than as the `tenant` we will have to play `on the road` games because the pitch needs re-seeding etc.......it destroys the season, the fan base and any new following that you are trying to capture.
The Stoop is a great facility and a big asset for our club regardless of the fact we are now paying rent. I travel from South London and many fans have to travel a whole lot further, but I would not want to move from the Stoop.....(DH funding issues aside) what has been lacking is success on the pitch and a good, sustained marketing campaign. I just wish the RU side of the club would take up the challenge on the latter, they turned it round for themselves (be it in an RU area) and clearly have the skills and systems to make a go of it......we would be better off paying for their services and structure rather than reinventing the wheel and trying to go it alone.'"
Success on the pitch was there in 1997 - Result 5k averages. And that was before RU's rise at club level
The club could come top and the averages will be poor at the Stoop. No locals are interested
Waste of time
By the way. Wigan RLFC are "tenants" to Wigan Athletic. How many games do they play "on-the-road"?
Find a decent soccer groundshare and fund a special pitch that doesn't need re-seed (like at Hudds, Hull)
Otherwise we'll be doomed as a no mark nothing with no identity
P.S. I'm going to tonights game (in a Broncos shirt). I was hoping there would be an announcement that the club would be on the move/name change. I'm guessing all it is is some announcement along the lines "the clubs is staying as is at the Stoop and is safe - for one more season....."
sub-2k crowds next year
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| Wigan are not tenants of Athletic. The DW stadium is owned by a separate company and the two clubs have individual long term leases with it.
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