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| Quote kobashi="kobashi"Comments like this make me sick! I am london born guy, 28 and have loved rugby league since I first saw it on sky when I was 11. Rugby League is not a southern sport just like it isnt a northern sport. Rugby League is a worldwide sport, your narrow mindness does nothing to get rid of the sterotypes we all as Rugby League see on a regular basis.
I for one do not want to see Super League just contain the M62 clubs. This great game has to expand. Harlequins RL, Catalan, Crusaders are great for the sport and competition.
Do you get comments like yours from people in NSW and Brisbane when people talk about NRL expansion into New Zealand, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.
I really hope not!'"
RL is a northern sport, yes its played worldwide but in England its a northern sport, Catalan do well crowd wise (at home) because traditionally the catalunia area its played in is a French RL heartland, wales isnt neither is London, jesus Sheffield 35 miles away from cas cant get decent crowds, they won the challenge cup not long back and they have gone backwards, you cannot force RL or any other sport onto areas/communities. it has to grow, London has had a fair crack of the whip and if they cannot survive on their own now, its time for a rethink.
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| I remember one of your young guys - Lamont Bryan I think it was - featuring on Boots'n'All earlier in the season. When interviewed, he said he [igrew up[/i watching Quins RL (in its various guises) and had [ialways wanted[/i to play for them.
Many RL supporters in my general neck of the woods do not appreciate what a turning point that is for rugby league in London. In the north we take it for granted that young people are routinely exposed to rugby league and the aspiration to play for your local club is the norm in many areas. To have achieved that in London should shout loudly to RL supporters everywhere that far from failing as a club, Quins RL are actually succeeding in a way that many northern clubs are not. And it is the reason why the RFL should, I believe, step in and provide [iwhatever[/i assistance to Quins RL that they need to take them forward.
The first generation of RL supporters are coming through. A generation is measured in 25 year spells, I believe. If Quins RL is allowed to fail now then that would be a serious case of negligence and stupidity by the RFL because such good work should not be allowed to unravel.
If your chairman needs financial help either to attract additional investors or to tide the club over until such time as they can become more competitive on the field, then the RFL should supply it. Not because Quins are failing but because they are doing quite the opposite.
And, as I've said elsewhere, they should enable the club to invest in a damn good coach who will take the players to the next level and buy a couple of seriously huge Samoans for the front row as Quins are sadly lacking in that department.
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| Quote tigers67="tigers67"RL is a northern sport, yes its played worldwide but in England its a northern sport'"
And you are embarrassing.
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| with the progression in Junior development and Rugby League played in London/South East Schools are people ready to just close the door on this?
Quins have played a huge part in junior Rugby League down here so no matter what happens I hope the RFL keep investing in youth development down south.
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| for what its worth here's another hull kr fans view, I have always loved my away trips to london to see my team and have always made a weekend of it with the mrs as a lot of people do but over the last few years as an outsider you can't get away from the fact that your club appears to be in a spiral of decline.
Obviously money is tight, the playing squad seems to get weaker every year and the crowds seem to have hit rock bottom. It seems to me the move to twickenham is doing you no favours. The ground is excellent for a superleague team, the facilities are excellent but nobody seems to want to go there, if you could pick the ground up and plonk it in central london you'd be on a winner. Having seen you in griffin park and at fulham all those years ago as well as chiswick, you need to be in a more central location where more casual supporters might give league a try, being stuck out on a limb in the middle of a Union stronghold just isn't working. It seems like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place as any ground share in central london is going to be ridiculously expensive and there aren't that many options (loftus road wouldn't be a bad option but obviously is never going to happen).
It seems to me you've got 2 real options for the future, a rich warringtonesque sugar daddy takes over or you move to a better location, the olympic stadium wouldn't be bad if west ham get knocked back and it is scaled down as per the original plans. Moving to milton keynes or dropping into the championship will be the death knell for your club.
I do wish you well though, not because of some "rugby league needs a london presence" rubbish, but because of the die hard fans who go week in week out.
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| Quote tigers67="tigers67"RL is a northern sport, yes its played worldwide but in England its a northern sport, Catalan do well crowd wise (at home) because traditionally the catalunia area its played in is a French RL heartland, wales isnt neither is London, jesus Sheffield 35 miles away from cas cant get decent crowds, they won the challenge cup not long back and they have gone backwards, you cannot force RL or any other sport onto areas/communities. it has to grow, London has had a fair crack of the whip and if they cannot survive on their own now, its time for a rethink.'"
Of course you can't force any sport onto any community unless you're totalitarian, and nobody has been trying to do that.
So, what's your rethink?
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| Quote sandy="sandy"for what its worth here's another hull kr fans view, I have always loved my away trips to london to see my team and have always made a weekend of it with the mrs as a lot of people do but over the last few years as an outsider you can't get away from the fact that your club appears to be in a spiral of decline.
Obviously money is tight, the playing squad seems to get weaker every year and the crowds seem to have hit rock bottom. It seems to me the move to twickenham is doing you no favours. The ground is excellent for a superleague team, the facilities are excellent but nobody seems to want to go there, if you could pick the ground up and plonk it in central london you'd be on a winner. Having seen you in griffin park and at fulham all those years ago as well as chiswick, you need to be in a more central location where more casual supporters might give league a try, being stuck out on a limb in the middle of a Union stronghold just isn't working. It seems like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place as any ground share in central london is going to be ridiculously expensive and there aren't that many options (loftus road wouldn't be a bad option but obviously is never going to happen).
It seems to me you've got 2 real options for the future, a rich warringtonesque sugar daddy takes over or you move to a better location, the olympic stadium wouldn't be bad if west ham get knocked back and it is scaled down as per the original plans. Moving to milton keynes or dropping into the championship will be the death knell for your club.
I do wish you well though, not because of some "rugby league needs a london presence" rubbish, but because of the die hard fans who go week in week out.'"
Quins fans would no better than me but I have always thought the location was killer. RU heartland and outside of London!
Could a move to back to SE London be an option again, Charlton or Millwall?
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| Charlton was not that great but we started a lot of kids playing from there. West London seems to have been best but unless we get results on the pitch it's immaterial where we play - the fans won't support a losing team.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan" If your chairman needs financial help either to attract additional investors or to tide the club over until such time as they can become more competitive on the field, then the RFL should supply it. .'"
As much as most want the Quins club to succeed, this is just simply unfair. As a sport, all clubs have to start on a level playing-field. Most SL clubs could do with extra finances but these cannot be given to some clubs and not to others. Cas/Wakefield/Salford could do with the RFL offering financial help to build new stadia, how is this different to financially backing Quins. Ridiculous.
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| Quote cjhatesunion="cjhatesunion"Hence why the new stadium will make us a profitable club.
KR is losing money left,right and centre the sooner we are in the new stadium the better.'"
There is only 5% of the population of The Metropolitan Borough of St Helens interested in Saints and that is a Fact! and you think a new ground is going to turn the world around? look at the population of say Castleford and their crowds in a rubbish stadium much better than Saints and with no success.
Sky will reduce their funding if it goes to an M62 sport there is no doubts and then it will become a 10 team league and that may end up with Sky pulling out!
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"As much as most want the Quins club to succeed, this is just simply unfair. As a sport, all clubs have to start on a level playing-field. Most SL clubs could do with extra finances but these cannot be given to some clubs and not to others. Cas/Wakefield/Salford could do with the RFL offering financial help to build new stadia, how is this different to financially backing Quins. Ridiculous.'"
But judging by your comment it is ok to give Quins or any other expansion club less funds than others in the full knowledge that the buying power of what they have been provided with will actually buy less than the same amount of money given to others located in the heartlands. Similarly it is ok for an expansion club to have to use a disproportionate part of their funding in order to promote the game, market the club and develop players in a new expansion area.....whereas the heartland club has a much easier ride because the local community is already sold on the game?
Because of its size and the amount of competion for punters liesure pounds, London is an incredibly hard place to get new people interested.......Quins marketing attempts are not the best and their scatter gun approach has reaped little reward........but you could argue that their job is to produce a rugby team not directly sell the sport of RL.
If the RFL are serious about expanding the sport they have to invest in building, promoting and selling the game, you cannot seriously expect the expansion club to do all that from the same funding allocation as everyone else (plus whatever extra DH has contributed), as well as producing a competitive team on the pitch. It all amounts to spreading the available funds too thinly, DH has done it for years and he is now saying enough is enough, I am funding a club, I am not here to do the RFL`s work in promoting and developing the sport.
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