When did Bibb come on in the second half? Again JB reasons not excuses - difficult to play with one half back. I don't like our record any more than the next man but I don't see how change will alter the facts as they stand but if the policy is for long term we should be told.

Are they SL standard

But PP, the stats of who and what we had at the weekend only compound the awful stuff thats been going on since the middle of the last season. There has been no improvment in the team, in fact they are not playing like a team at all. We haven't had that many new ones that they need 'time to gel' that old chestnut trolled out previously.
They ALL, from the coach down look disheartened and are just playing like automatons. We need some heart and soul in the team and it starts at the top.

I'd argue it goes back further than then.

But what did we achieve in 2007 and 2008? 9th place, not very exciting rugby (despite having some very good players) falling away at the back end of the season (both times).

This is why I think it is time.

We've finished 3 places off bottom in each of his full seasons in charge. So he's been quite consistent in his failure.

I've been too dejected to post until now, Sunday really was hitting the bottom of the barrell. This Saturday could be a humiliation.

In the past I've defended BM, saying he's working with what's available, but since the middle of last season we've just gone backwards, even the players we had hopes for have stopped progressing. LMS looks a shadow of the forward he promised to be, Clubb, as has been pointed out elsewhere was really showing promise, especially as a strong running second-row (and yes I know that's not the way BM wants us to play with his plodding forwards, but that doesn't make it any better), now he does look like someone whose been shunted about never getting to master one position before finally being shunted into centre as a last resort (if he was going to be regular centre we should never have constantly shifted him between wing, centre and second-row, especially given the way Gafa's form collapsed away). The recruitment has been poor, very poor for 2 seasons now, Dorn, Gale, James, Kaye, Nanyn, are all players who should have gone to/stayed in the lower divisions not us, yet one player who actually did play above his weight was Joe Mbu and we dumped him (for a second time FFS!!!). We don't have a single player with a field kicking game and it hurts. Signing Kyle Bibb won't give us a kicking game of any sort. Ward is not SL standard anymore. Karl T is our only SL standard prop at the moment and time is catching up with him (by god we miss him when he's not playing), whether Karl's absence is part of the problem with LMS is another matter. We lost 2 experienced props in Hecks and Haggy and never replaced them, that's a big problem, but I really, really don't see where we're going to find a kicking game, can we play Purdo there when he's back, can he do it? We can't play out the season without a kicking game and expect to win another match, it's that simple!