remember some bloke 'winning' then admitting he hadn't caught the ball - did it seriously make Watchdog?

Thing is there is no ' magical ' formula to increase attendances

One idea in isolation will not get the results required

You need to try everything and contiue trying everything long term

What is also needed is collaboration between clubs , both in idea's , personnel and actual physical stuff like bouncy castles,games and the like

A roadshow type situation funded by the RFL visiting all clubs would be a help , it could do the rounds of town centre's ,supermarkets and the like with offers supplied by the relevant clubs

But it needs money , enthusiasm and hard work to organise , things in short supply in RL

Two words.....George Simpson.
Sorry, it didn't work with a household name.....so a few other unknown breakdancers is hardly going to make any difference.


If I could be bothered, I would scan back over the years and post links to where I have continually said that the collection of data and a bit of CRM is the best way forward............



Do you really believe a group of breakdancers and their mates/parents are the demographic we need to target for an investment of £500 per family of 4 next year? Sorry, sports fans are the target audience and ideally, sports fans within 5 miles of the stoop to start with.



Oh dear............if it's left up to the current set of people who, through no fault of their own, are stretched to breaking point, then I won't hold my breath.

We had 4,000 + occassionals turn up for the manly game. That data was worth collecting, but 250 dancers and followers



Lastly, just so as to underline how un-organised things are, the suggestion of asking London Welsh and their fan base was first mentioned to the club in late 2008 (you were there at the time Alison).

The actual invitation happened after the Union Season ended in May...........


I rest my case!

but the governing body does need to take the lead as sometimes club officials cannot or will not see the larger picture.

I actually applaud the club for any thought that is going into addressing ALL areas & while we all wish it was more and possibly better targetted, it is still an idea and they have been few and far between in the past.

I have never said I am right and everone else is wrong. Please, if I have , find the post where I did.
What I am saying is that until the method of collecting data, loading it and using it to gain feedback and potential repeat business, I won't hold my breath when it comes to new initiatives.
As for trying something......by all means, fill the Stoop with Dancers, boy bands, power rangers or friggin teletubbies, but don't think it will increase crowds in a residual basis. Pester Power works at supermarket tills and at christmas time....not for REPEAT family days out.

I have heard this family day concept for over 7 months now.....and all I have seen is smaller crowds.

People often seem to think I would condone the spending of £30,000 to add 3,000 to the gate for 1 game. Well guess what, I wouldn't (well, not at least 'til we have a way of processing these people, collecting data and staying in touch with them).
But neither would I condone the level of commitment and staff hours in prepearing a dance acts appearance at a game, when the data from the Wakey game STILL HASN'T BEEN USED!

You've said i'm always wrong before, and i'm agreeing with you on this, so that must make you wrong.

Lets just turn the Kings Bar into a creche because some people won't bother coming to the match unless theres some sort of facilities to entertain their young children. I'd love to see if there is anyone out there that will step forward and say they have stopped supporting the club because of lack of child friendly activities on match day

How people can't see this is beyond me.

yeah, but you're not everyone are you Listy.......

This is the key point for me. Its a waste of time targetting people that would probably come along anyway and just keeping them happy. The efforts gone into these ideas should be redirected towards attracting paying adults to the match and retaining them.