I agree 100% with your post but can't shake the ever present feeling of pessimism that we have probably peaked as far as we are able to under Baloo.

He's been a great coach but I think that hes run out of ideas. Im not calling for his head but perhaps we could bring soneone in with more experience to advise him, a la Wakey and Salford. Controversial i know but perhaps its the only way to get the team to the next level.....

Anderson ain't happy but it is Anderson who picked the team. No good reason to change what was working. Bailey for Leeming was a joke, Ferres selection caused huge disruption both on attach and defence. Ferries jogging about lazy in defence while Bruno and Ta'ai sat on the bench was where An ordinary Wigan performance saw them get on top.

He was as bad in attack wtf was that kick?

Not Ferres fault though, he was clearly not ready. It seems our coaches simply did not trust Leeming and Smith, they should have done so. That shambles was all about leadership, or lack of it.

Schoey called the whole team out saying Hudds are a bunch of bottlers and didn't have it in them to get to the big dance. You totally blew it with in the last 10 mins last week and your ar$e completely fell out from about 2 minutes in tonight as well.

Schoey is completely correct. You can't really argue other wise.

Just to highlight Kopczak on the fourth tackle about 10 meters out when the game was still in the balance could of taken the tackle to set up a good last tackle option. Instead he throws a hospital pass to Ellis who knocks on. Kopczak try's to make up for his silly play. He then gives a penalty, the set from the pen he gives another penalty and Wigan score.

3 acts of utter dumbness that contributed to an epic fail. Demonstrating a total lack of big game temperament.

Actually DG my post ain't rubbish and I did not say Smith and Leeming would have changed things. I did say that changes to the team disrupted the team.

Leeds and Wigan win things by playing simple rugby at high intensity when it matters. Our coaches tried to bring too clever. That is not good preparation, sportsmen and women in all sports need confidence, suddenly changing what was working brings doubt. Our team failed tonight, yet again when it really mattered they were found wanting.

Did Murphy, Wardle or Connor change the team. We went five weeks with the same team with a very big powerful pack and won each week, then we made changes and lost last week, panicked and picked as lightweight a pack as we could all to accommodate a fine player who has been injured or suspended all year and lost the game in the first 20 minutes while Ta'ai Lawrence and Crabtree sat on the bench.

Numerous players played poorly tonight - to avoid a repeat we must recognise why. We always play poorly when it really matters - that has to be preparation.

But you carry on kidding yourself.

How dare you come on this board at a time of panic and start spouting your common sense

A lot of posters are dwelling on the "when will we finally fulfill our potential and clear the hurdle of winning a major trophy".
Well, maybe this squad of players ARE fulfilling their potential and this IS as good as it will get. The Giants squad is not packed with superstars and relies on great team spirit and honest work ethic. Putting a good run of form together during the regular season dosn't either make you world beaters or win any trophies. I think your 5 match unbeaten streak gave some fans a false sense of confidence (bordering on cocky arrogance).
This is not an anti Giants rant, I wanted you to win last night and think Leeds wouldn't have fared any better at the DW last night.

Chunky I think you have a good point, was thinking myself have we under achieved or over achieved, and my opinion is that overall when it comes to the nitty gritty we are short. My big hope is that Ryan Hinchcliffe is going to make a big difference but whether we will be able to break the "monopoly" come trophy time is debatable. While I didn't think Wigan were great they knew how to control the game. I was disappointed that with 20 to go and needing a few scores we just continued 5 drives and a kick....we had nothing to lose at that point so thought we should have shown a bit of adventure.

Hit the nail on the head, I was posting the above at the same time.

Yup.

And that makes it a club problem rather than a team problem.

This group of players haven't got the extra bite needed to get from 3rd to 1st.

Ryan Hinchcliffe is a massive signing for us, and I hope he'll bring the attitude. But even so, we're a few players short of winning the outright trophy.

And he won't change the small club attitude of the backroom staff.

In big games you need your "big hitters" to lead the way and once again yours went missing also when you hear JP talk he uses the words "fundamentals & 1%ers" on a regular basis that is something else you failed to do.
Wigan were worthy winners and outplayed their opposite numbers individually and collectively the writing was on the wall after 10 minutes.
I don't think you have the Coaching nous or individual/collective talent to up the gears or intensity when the big semi finals come around.

not to worry, they,ll all be down to the travel agents today, chockers, backroom staff jokers, just swap one "comfort zone" for another.

You are Fat Garry and I claim my £10 prize.