Robbie is very astute and had a number of ideas but unfortunately he didn't have the budget to implement them

i started watching in 1987,JJ, so no i wasn't one of the 303ers but i know of some who were there.
but you have some good point also, in 2008 we averaged 7,820 which was our highest average since about 1973 i read somewhere, we have seen increases in only 2 seasons after this, but yet, strangely the figure for 2013 when we won the LLS was the lowest since 2007! maybe people don't want success after all?

but it is a worry and to me there are various factors rather than just one

cost
day and time of the game
people just generally fed up with the game
other commitments, family, work etc
and as you said, entertainment, value for money
most of these factors are out of the clubs hands, except maybe cost and some would say entertainment/value for money, so if i was the CEO i would want to try and find out why people aren't coming, and what, if anything, the club could do to entice people to come back or indeed to start coming.

like i said there is a big retail park over the road, another one not too far away,there's a cinema complex, a pub, restaurant , leisure centre etc next door to the stadium which all seem to be busy with people on a matchday, have the club ever sought to make contact with these people and find out if there's an interest in the giants amongst them?
i realise they are all competitors for consumer's time and money, but could we not work with them? offer discounts with the cinema, pizza hut etc?

I think a lot of those things may reap some reward if explored Meast, but if I am honest I don't see any one of them making a huge change to our crowds, that's not to say they can't be explored.
TBC made a point about people wanting to watch winners, and he / she mentioned Bradford as a example, It's indisputable that Bradford really grasped the concept of Summer Rugby, They are one of the most successful sides ever in Super league.

Yes they are paying for it now because they were spending money they didn't have, But the crowds of 20,000 + plus didn't give a fig for that at the time, and the main thing was ,they were winning things regularly, and they were good to watch, some of the Derby games with Leeds were as good as S league has ever got, and I've heard it said on here , there were more Bulls fans in Huddersfield than Giants.

So I say lets make an attempt to get crowds in by putting on some style, What we are doing now isn't working, What's to lose, We had made a start a few years ago, now we are right back where we were, One very good game where they play really well and compete with the best followed by weeks of poor stuff, It needs a whole different approach to our game, and it maybe that it's not possible, but is it not worth a try.

Am I going mad? I seem to remember folk moaning about the style of rugby NB had the giants playing.......

Well I didn't post on here in those days, so I didn't moan about N Brown, Yes it all went belly up for some reason ( I don't know what ) But till it did we looked a lot better than we had before or since, we were I thought playing some good Football, and Didn't we get Coach and club of the year along with MOS.

N Brown was very good at improving individual Players, He brought some of our players to a new level.
So what do you think jools are you happy with things ?, What does anyone think ? Are they happy to just keep saying " look where we were 25 years ago " We would be a lot better thinking about where we are likely to be 25 years on, If something doesn't change.

It might be that just nothing can be done, In which case enjoy what there is while It's still here.

I think with the players we have we are where we are. Whilst we have to fend off Wigan, Leeds, saints and to some extent wire by paying more than they would for the same player in order to get them to come to us -or keep players, we will always have an overall poorer squad. We have been lucky that we haven't had major injury issues or the gulf would be more obvious.
Remember how lethargic and frankly knackered our players looked under NB. How lacking in energy our play was- Remember the mid season slump every year due to them being flogged in training.....
Remember how we complained at how no one knew where they were playing each week, and how it showed, as "tinkerman" did his tinkering- Short memories.
Folk are moaning they don't play exciting free flowing rugby- well look what happens when they try and can't catch a ball between them! Perhaps they are playing to their strengths rather than their weaknesses...

Jools, l agree with just about all of that, but l think the main problem at the Giants is that too many people are in "the comfort zone",
Starting near the top , we have a General Manager that is also a director,= job for life?
Rumours, said GM is very pally with some players = contract well past your sell by date.
Mason and Kopczak fiascos = someone didn,t do their job properly, well never mind eh!.
Luke (lve got a bad back)O,Donnell, paid in full, left early, never missed a game for the Roosters?
the same could probably be said regarding coaches, the NB issue was a farce, the axe should have swung the moment he first opened his mouth.
Baloo has already had his contract extended, personelly l,m ok with him at the moment, but if he doesn,t deliver, will the axe swing?, will he jump ship if a better offer comes along, or will the "comfort zone" kick in.
Marketing and Publicity, most fans favourite gripe, ie what marketing and Publicity, again "comfort zone".
Other directors, Who are they ? what do they bring to the club ? or are they a little club sitting in "the comfort zone"
l have watched this club most of my life, and if someone 20, or even 10 years ago had offered me what we have today, l would have happily axcepted, but we get greedy, there is no doubt we have problems to overcome, whether they be players, coaches, backroom staff, management, or above those, the buck stops with Ken Davy.
Ken Davy is a saint, without him we would no doubt be a championship side or worse, Ken Davy is obviously a very good bussiness man, in the financial sector, but a RL club, is a totally different world, l would be more confident, lf l new Ken had an axe, and new how to chop up a "comfort zone", maybe he should just buy one and hang it above his office door.