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| Quote: raceman "But that doesn't explain why he didn't go to the screen like other decisions during the game. I mean he gave a drop out to Hudds in the first half then decided to go to the screen to check it, that was hardly a match deciding moment was it. But when it was a match deciding moment he decided to just give it as he saw it. That's everybody's beef.'"
But the video ref decision would have been inconclusive. One shows wide, one shows in. The video ref would have been in limbo, and unable to make the call it'd have been referred to the on field ref for his decision which would have been no DG.
Going to the screen wouldn't have made any difference to the DG being given.
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Why wasn't the voluntary tackle penalised?'"
Do you mean the one by a Hudds player close to his try line after he'd picked up an attacking kick and didn't want to get dumped over the line? Or didn't you see that one?
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Do you mean the one by a Hudds player close to his try line after he'd picked up an attacking kick and didn't want to get dumped over the line? Or didn't you see that one?'"
No the one by hohaio when he just dived to the floor at the end, didn't you see that?
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "But the video ref decision would have been inconclusive. One shows wide, one shows in. The video ref would have been in limbo, and unable to make the call it'd have been referred to the on field ref for his decision which would have been no DG.
Going to the screen wouldn't have made any difference to the DG being given.'"
But then we would be talking about a decision which was at least looked at to try and make the correct decision instead of just dismissing the effort as bentham did. If the decision is looked at by the video ref and cannot be decided upon then fair enough it can be accepted but to just dismiss it is wrong when the video ref is there and has been used for other decisions during the game which were in some ways meaningless compared to this one.
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| Quote: raceman "No the one by hohaio when he just dived to the floor at the end, didn't you see that?'"
Yes, but I also saw the other one that Huddersfield fans apparently couldn't see. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't just pick and choose which wrong decisions you want to complain about. If you want to complain about the ones that went for Saints then you need to be unhappy about the ones that went for Hudds too. Just because an incorrect decision is made in the last 2 minutes of a game which is close at the end doesn't mean it's more important than one earlier in the game. If the earlier decisions had been correct then the score could have been completely different in the 78th minute. So they're all as important as each other and you can't just disagree with the ones that don't suit you.
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| Quote: raceman "But then we would be talking about a decision which was at least looked at to try and make the correct decision instead of just dismissing the effort as bentham did. If the decision is looked at by the video ref and cannot be decided upon then fair enough it can be accepted but to just dismiss it is wrong when the video ref is there and has been used for other decisions during the game which were in some ways meaningless compared to this one.'"
He didn't just dismiss it. He made his call. Why would he refer it if he felt he was sure? Do we want a situation where every single incident is referred even if the ref is sure, ''just in case''?
Bottom line is, no one knows. Not you, me or ultimatly the video ref if he'd been called upon. The guy with the best view, was bentham, and he called no DG. That's it.
Still, even after this the ball was deep in saints half and hudds somehow allowed them right up the field into prime DG territory within only a few tackles.
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| Quote: LFC Saint "Only one person you should blame and thats Brett Ferres i'm afraid. What was he thinking at all. Huddersfield would of walked away with that game.'"
really? im not so sure, saints/bentham had the ascendency by then, summed up by jerry conceding a penalty for being shoved.
the game was evenly balanced up to that point, after that it was all one way traffic regards officiating.
no one deserved to lose that game today, ferres red card was right decisions but in no way was that the gamechanger, benthams decision to screw us was!
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "He didn't just dismiss it. He made his call. Why would he refer it if he felt he was sure? Do we want a situation where every single incident is referred even if the ref is sure, ''just in case''?
Bottom line is, no one knows. Not you, me or ultimatly the video ref if he'd been called upon. The guy with the best view, was bentham, and he called no DG. That's it.
Still, even after this the ball was deep in saints half and hudds somehow allowed them right up the field into prime DG territory within only a few tackles.'"
True and no one seemed ready to pressure the kick when everyone in the ground knew who the ball was heading to.
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Yes, but I also saw the other one that Huddersfield fans apparently couldn't see. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't just pick and choose which wrong decisions you want to complain about. If you want to complain about the ones that went for Saints then you need to be unhappy about the ones that went for Hudds too. Just because an incorrect decision is made in the last 2 minutes of a game which is close at the end doesn't mean it's more important than one earlier in the game. If the earlier decisions had been correct then the score could have been completely different in the 78th minute. So they're all as important as each other and you can't just disagree with the ones that don't suit you.'"
You can't just pick the camera angle which suits your opinion either. Huddersfield fans come away from this game feeling robbed. Poor old badly done to huddersfield. The establishment doesn't like them. Blah blah blah. .
Ferres' stupidity put them a man down, brough's incompetence ruined numerous DG opportunities, the teams incompetence allowed saints into a DG position at the end of the game. The 50/50's went both ways throughout the game as you have pointed out.
Hudds lost because of hudds.
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| What actually was the Walsh and jerry penalty for? Jerry tackles him. Walsh loses the ball, pushes jerry. Penalty saints!?
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| Quote: meast "really? im not so sure, saints/bentham had the ascendency by then, summed up by jerry conceding a penalty for being shoved.
the game was evenly balanced up to that point, after that it was all one way traffic regards officiating.
no one deserved to lose that game today, ferres red card was right decisions but in no way was that the gamechanger, benthams decision to screw us was!'"
Does it make it easier to cope with hudds defeats if you create a fantasy where hudds have lost purely because of the officials?
Because this is ridiculous. Completly ignoring and bypassing all the decisions that went in hudds favour.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "From one angle it looked over, the other it didn't. Obviously huddersfield fans only take into account the former.
Huddersfield fans forget that brough had 3 previous attempts at a drop goal, and due to his own incompetence were charged down because he didn't get into a good enough position. Standing barely 2 metres back? What is this, amateur hour?
Huddersfield fans forget the disgraceful tackle from ferres which had the potential to not only end lomax's career, but render him disabled. Look at Mckinnon 2 weeks ago. Abhorrent from ferres.
Basically, huddersfield were on the rough end of a 50/50 call, but in the end, only have themselves to blame for losing the game.
Victim mentality. Poor old badly done to huddersfield.'"
get a grip ffs!
most giants fans are wishing saints well, nothing untoward from their players, it's the referee we are angry with, and i have yet to see one fartown fans "forget" the ferres tackle, we all agree it was reckless and warranted red card.
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| If washes drop goal had been ruled out how many saints fans would be complaining!
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| Felt Bentham had a poor game, but at least in the first half he was consistently poor ie. both hudds and saint got away with offside and forward passes. Once again though a dodgy decision goes against us and we give a string of penalties away in response to that in quick succession!
Not buying the conspiracy theory, think it's just a case of the 'established' top 4 knowing exactly how to milk refs for pens, which we keep falling for with mucking about at the ptb!
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| Quote: raceman "But that doesn't explain why he didn't go to the screen like other decisions during the game. I mean he gave a drop out to Hudds in the first half then decided to go to the screen to check it, that was hardly a match deciding moment was it. But when it was a match deciding moment he decided to just give it as he saw it. That's everybody's beef.'"
this is spot on. most people after the game were saying how he goes to then VR for every minor little thing and every try to find something, yet the most important decision of the day an the one that had the biggest effect on the game he chooses not to!
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