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| No conspiracy theory about the big four clubs, yadda yadda yadda. Remember Saints V Hull KR in last years challenge cup? Francis Meli got sent off in the first half of that match & rightly so. Ferres indiscretion was the start of the downfall only compounded by the lack of composure in the last 5 minutes by some feeble organising when it came to the drop goal attempts. IMO not enough credit is being given to Saints goal line defence & charging down of the kicker when most players were fatigued and out on their feet.
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| Funny how nobody on here has spotted any decisions that went huddersfield's way. Like the knock on by Masoe in front of our posts when the tackler very clearly still had hold of his ball carrying arm while he's trying to put it on the ground. Should have been penalty Saints but given as knock on to Hudds. Or the ball steal on Roby on front of your posts where the ball comes out forward and into the hands of a Hudds player stood in an offside position. Given as play on but should have been penalty to Saints.
As regards the drop goal, I'm not sure whether it went over or not. The camera angles are very deceiving due to the foreshortening of long shots which does distort the picture. Not sure the video ref could have seen it any better as he'd just have the same camera angles. Maybe Bentham was right and he isn't actually bent and out to get you.
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| Quote: raceman "But that doesn't explain why he didn't go to the screen like other decisions during the game. I mean he gave a drop out to Hudds in the first half then decided to go to the screen to check it, that was hardly a match deciding moment was it. But when it was a match deciding moment he decided to just give it as he saw it. That's everybody's beef.'"
But the video ref decision would have been inconclusive. One shows wide, one shows in. The video ref would have been in limbo, and unable to make the call it'd have been referred to the on field ref for his decision which would have been no DG.
Going to the screen wouldn't have made any difference to the DG being given.
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Why wasn't the voluntary tackle penalised?'"
Do you mean the one by a Hudds player close to his try line after he'd picked up an attacking kick and didn't want to get dumped over the line? Or didn't you see that one?
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Do you mean the one by a Hudds player close to his try line after he'd picked up an attacking kick and didn't want to get dumped over the line? Or didn't you see that one?'"
No the one by hohaio when he just dived to the floor at the end, didn't you see that?
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "But the video ref decision would have been inconclusive. One shows wide, one shows in. The video ref would have been in limbo, and unable to make the call it'd have been referred to the on field ref for his decision which would have been no DG.
Going to the screen wouldn't have made any difference to the DG being given.'"
But then we would be talking about a decision which was at least looked at to try and make the correct decision instead of just dismissing the effort as bentham did. If the decision is looked at by the video ref and cannot be decided upon then fair enough it can be accepted but to just dismiss it is wrong when the video ref is there and has been used for other decisions during the game which were in some ways meaningless compared to this one.
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| Quote: raceman "No the one by hohaio when he just dived to the floor at the end, didn't you see that?'"
Yes, but I also saw the other one that Huddersfield fans apparently couldn't see. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't just pick and choose which wrong decisions you want to complain about. If you want to complain about the ones that went for Saints then you need to be unhappy about the ones that went for Hudds too. Just because an incorrect decision is made in the last 2 minutes of a game which is close at the end doesn't mean it's more important than one earlier in the game. If the earlier decisions had been correct then the score could have been completely different in the 78th minute. So they're all as important as each other and you can't just disagree with the ones that don't suit you.
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| Quote: raceman "But then we would be talking about a decision which was at least looked at to try and make the correct decision instead of just dismissing the effort as bentham did. If the decision is looked at by the video ref and cannot be decided upon then fair enough it can be accepted but to just dismiss it is wrong when the video ref is there and has been used for other decisions during the game which were in some ways meaningless compared to this one.'"
He didn't just dismiss it. He made his call. Why would he refer it if he felt he was sure? Do we want a situation where every single incident is referred even if the ref is sure, ''just in case''?
Bottom line is, no one knows. Not you, me or ultimatly the video ref if he'd been called upon. The guy with the best view, was bentham, and he called no DG. That's it.
Still, even after this the ball was deep in saints half and hudds somehow allowed them right up the field into prime DG territory within only a few tackles.
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| Quote: LFC Saint "Only one person you should blame and thats Brett Ferres i'm afraid. What was he thinking at all. Huddersfield would of walked away with that game.'"
really? im not so sure, saints/bentham had the ascendency by then, summed up by jerry conceding a penalty for being shoved.
the game was evenly balanced up to that point, after that it was all one way traffic regards officiating.
no one deserved to lose that game today, ferres red card was right decisions but in no way was that the gamechanger, benthams decision to screw us was!
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "He didn't just dismiss it. He made his call. Why would he refer it if he felt he was sure? Do we want a situation where every single incident is referred even if the ref is sure, ''just in case''?
Bottom line is, no one knows. Not you, me or ultimatly the video ref if he'd been called upon. The guy with the best view, was bentham, and he called no DG. That's it.
Still, even after this the ball was deep in saints half and hudds somehow allowed them right up the field into prime DG territory within only a few tackles.'"
True and no one seemed ready to pressure the kick when everyone in the ground knew who the ball was heading to.
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Yes, but I also saw the other one that Huddersfield fans apparently couldn't see. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't just pick and choose which wrong decisions you want to complain about. If you want to complain about the ones that went for Saints then you need to be unhappy about the ones that went for Hudds too. Just because an incorrect decision is made in the last 2 minutes of a game which is close at the end doesn't mean it's more important than one earlier in the game. If the earlier decisions had been correct then the score could have been completely different in the 78th minute. So they're all as important as each other and you can't just disagree with the ones that don't suit you.'"
You can't just pick the camera angle which suits your opinion either. Huddersfield fans come away from this game feeling robbed. Poor old badly done to huddersfield. The establishment doesn't like them. Blah blah blah. .
Ferres' stupidity put them a man down, brough's incompetence ruined numerous DG opportunities, the teams incompetence allowed saints into a DG position at the end of the game. The 50/50's went both ways throughout the game as you have pointed out.
Hudds lost because of hudds.
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| What actually was the Walsh and jerry penalty for? Jerry tackles him. Walsh loses the ball, pushes jerry. Penalty saints!?
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| Quote: meast "really? im not so sure, saints/bentham had the ascendency by then, summed up by jerry conceding a penalty for being shoved.
the game was evenly balanced up to that point, after that it was all one way traffic regards officiating.
no one deserved to lose that game today, ferres red card was right decisions but in no way was that the gamechanger, benthams decision to screw us was!'"
Does it make it easier to cope with hudds defeats if you create a fantasy where hudds have lost purely because of the officials?
Because this is ridiculous. Completly ignoring and bypassing all the decisions that went in hudds favour.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "From one angle it looked over, the other it didn't. Obviously huddersfield fans only take into account the former.
Huddersfield fans forget that brough had 3 previous attempts at a drop goal, and due to his own incompetence were charged down because he didn't get into a good enough position. Standing barely 2 metres back? What is this, amateur hour?
Huddersfield fans forget the disgraceful tackle from ferres which had the potential to not only end lomax's career, but render him disabled. Look at Mckinnon 2 weeks ago. Abhorrent from ferres.
Basically, huddersfield were on the rough end of a 50/50 call, but in the end, only have themselves to blame for losing the game.
Victim mentality. Poor old badly done to huddersfield.'"
get a grip ffs!
most giants fans are wishing saints well, nothing untoward from their players, it's the referee we are angry with, and i have yet to see one fartown fans "forget" the ferres tackle, we all agree it was reckless and warranted red card.
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| If washes drop goal had been ruled out how many saints fans would be complaining!
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