Everything can be proven or disproven in isolation. Was Wigan's double a fluke??? Not really but Hull had the most inept Wembley showing in living memory and the Cherry and Whites were little better. They hit form in the play offs and were the best side for last September but most years that mantle goes to Leeds and doubt many Wigan fans would bow down to them year on year. If anything last season gave hope to any stuttering side with injuries as Wigan needed no excuses when the odds were against them but momentum is key in sport and once on a roll Wigan hit the jackpot. If circumstances are similar and they repeat the feat is a totally different matter but their youngsters might make success breed success and they might not stutter into the play offs at all.

This is the same nonsense that Leeds fans were spouting up until 2013 about not caring about the league and peaking for the playoffs.

In reality the playoffs are a cup competition and as such any team in them can win, albeit that they are supposed to be stacked towards the higher finishing teams.

Was Wigan's winning of both Trophies a fluke. No but equally there were plenty of moments where fate was on their side.

In the CC Wigan played Leigh, Hull KR, Widnes,London and Hull. The easiest path to a Challenge cup victory ever. The games may not have been flukes but the draw was.

In the Playoffs they peaked at the right time. Everyone was trying to do this and Wigan did it best it. But did Shaun Wane want to go into the playoffs in the shocking form Wigan were in. of course he didn't.

In any event all that is history. let's see who has bragging rights at the end of the season.

Most intelligent people can follow the thread of a debate without needing the obvious pointing out.

So if you do know the difference between fact and opinion

You must just be a big fat troll then.

I might not bother going to this game- what's the point when according to Wigan fans their players aren't bothered if they win........

Go to the game Jools, while I agree with you that "Last Son of Wigan" appears to be a bit of a Saddo, you know as well as I do that most Wigan fans are decent folk, as are most RL fans generally.

There is just something about a bit of success that brings out the bad side in a minority. In fact I dare say there will be a few of our own doing similar after we lift the Challenge Cup in August!!!!

Some interesting points here.

Playoffs do resemble a cup comp, the knock out element at least. Wigan did peak at the right time, surely that's the goal, to peak when needed to go on and win the GF, which Wigan did. This isn't fluke, and even with peaking it did require to be the best to win, Wigan beat Hudds, Leeds then Wire to win the GF, a difficult run and one that really did see Wigan finish the best team in the comp and worthy champs.

If Hudds were truly the best team they would have beaten Wigan in the POs they didn't, if they were the second best team they would have beaten Wire, they didn't manage this. Yes Hudds won the league but when it came down to it they fell short twice, Wigan rightly so were crowned champs as they beat those in their way.

Saddo? Grow up. People are discussing RL which is what the site was designed for.

It would seem you're more interested in an argument and making things petty, I'm not. So I won't be responding to comments which refer to me as a big fat troll etc.
I prefer to chat about RL with RL fans, regardless of team.

What will your excuse be this year when you've won sod all?

If Wigan don't win anything because they're not good enough then there's no excuses, someone else will be better.

Same for any team, like how Hudds weren't good enough last season.

Feel free - have an AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH on me.

Here's to a belting game. First game of season - let's both put on a show for the SKY audience. May the best team win.

Wane admitted getting it wrong that year.

PS what has this got to do with a) Wigans success last year and b) Wigan having a better season and being better than Hudds?

same answer to both... sweet FA.