Think you are right there ,think he will defo lean towards the Rhinos now

2009 stats suggest otherwise.
Average metres per game-Ablett 58.5m/Kirmond 75.1m
Average carries per game-Ablett 8.4/Kirmond 9.5
Average tackles per game-Ablett 18/Kirmond 24
Average tackle busts per game-Ablett 1.2/Kirmond 1.6
Average missed tackles per game-Ablett 2.1/Kirmond 0.8

How many games did they each play for you to work the figures out? Is that league, cup and play offs or just sl reg rounds?

Ponner you rock man yet again

I remember last season Bulls fans saying the same sort of thing about Scruton and Big Eorl, he got into the England 4 nations squad.

TBH I would not have Ablett given free, never mind swap anyone for him!!!!!!

Double post

would be interested to know the mins spent on pitch

What a pointless interpretation of stats that is in this argument.

Kirmond played 17 games, Ablett played 27 games including 3 play off games. Ablett also played 3 of those games at centre. I know you, and you are not daft in the slightest, so you know the play off games have far more intensity than a normal super league game. You also know normal super league games towards the back end of the season are much more intensive than earlier in the season. That is when less metres and less busts are made.

Kirmond's stats are not comparable to Abletts. What would be comparable is if you took Abletts stats agains the same 17 teams that made up Kirmonds, providing most of those are not at the back end of the season. Then you would have a fairer outcome.

But as much as I or you whatever like Kirmond as a player, you ask either coach and they would have Ablett in there in an instant.

Rubbish. McLellan would have Ablett and Brown would have Kirmond. They are different players with different qualities. Comparing them like some sort of dick measuring competition is pointless. Both of them are decent.

Fair play to Gotcha. Not only does he know what he knows, he knows what PONNER knows and what Nathan Brown knows as well.

I particularly like the way he throws in a bit of an ego rub there to try and stop any comeback:

"I know you're not stupid so no doubt you MUST agree with me when I say that you are wrong".

Epic. Fail.



I'd love to see the proof regarding your assertion on all games at the back end of the season and that less metres, busts etc are made.

I wonder how we managed to beat teams such as Hull (24-0), Wigan (48-16) and Catalan (36-12) without making good metres, numerous busts and line breaks.

Equally one has to wonder how Leeds managed to put 76 points on Cas. Could Cas only raise 10 men or something? I also recall Leeds play off game against Hull KR. That second half was a walkover.

You really need to be able to back up your assertions because if you don't it looks like you're talking a load of trousers and are using reasoning pulled out of mid-air to try and dismiss the stats. Stats are just stats but I feel quite sure that if Ablett came out looking better than Kirmond you'd be extolling their virtues. He doesn't though, does he. Interesting that.

The reality is that it's not just the time of year that dictates a games intensity. It is the opposition. The two teams relative performances. Form. A whole plethora of variables that I'm sure if you get on to that private line to Nathan Brown you seem to have he'll only be too happy to tell you all about.

Didnt Kirmond also feature in a team that had a fairly decent cup run last year - unlike Ablett

GIANT DAZ

''Brett Hodgson - 2009 Man of Steel
Nathan Brown - 2009 Coach of the year
Huddersfield Giants - 2009 Club of the year

Not bad for a crappy little club''

07 season - leeds champions
08 season - leeds champions
09 season - leeds champions

not bad for a club who has crap players like Ablett

Ablett is very good player for a champion squad. Very consistent, plays smart and can slot in several positions. More over he will be very good value for money. This frees up money for the blue chip players like Webb / Buderus / Eastwood. Also Ablett is one of those players who could almost certainly earn more at a different club but chooses to play at a club where he is happy and playing quality rugby.

Comparing him with Kirmond is not too meaningful. A comparison with Wild is more apt. Both athletic and able to play back row / centre. I would say Wild is a better player. However he is not twice as good as Ablett - who probably earns less than half of Wild's salary. Kirmond is a more explosive player than Ablett and more likely to deliver 2 x 20 mins spells and be a more destructive runner.

scuse me where have i said Ablett is crap ? i dont mind Ablett actually i was just adding something to the debate - the Leeds fan was claiming the figures given were not a true reflection because Kirmond didn't play in games like Ablett did - but i was merely pointing out that Kirmond had been part of a succesful cup run !.