If you ever translate that into English I might respond.

Leeds did it last year when Wigan were naive enough to aim for top spot at the exclusion of having a fit, healthy team for the playoffs.

It's not about Wigan, Huddersfield or any club. It's about the structure of the competition.

Comprehension not your strong point? Makes perfect sense to me in response to your underlined and in bold comment which is I'm assuming the main point you were trying to make ( rather than just coming across as desperate) if I were you I'd toddle off back to the rest of the "straw clutchers" on your board. See you in the playoffs- or perhaps not going by your recent form.

Absolute rubbish! If you are trying to compare Leeds of last season with Wigan of this you are way off the mark! Leeds did not "rest" star players for several games, they did not play without flair or direction. They lost a few games at the odd time in the season but did not come into the playoffs in a poor run of form with a team who hadn't played together as a unit all season. You clearly don't have a fit healthy squad! Unlike the giants who most certainly have- and what's more a fit healthy squad who have played together all season and just had a weeks rest! More straw clutching!

You're missing the point.

In recent years wigan warrington and huddersfield (this year) have all won it, they have all been teams who have had lean periods of differing degrees so finishing top is obviously a milestone and seen as a stepping stone for bigger success.

Before that, perennial grand final contestants leeds and saints won it between themselves for 6 or 7 years, mainly due to the fact there was little other competition, but also the most important fact. The playoff system changed. In recent years finishing in the top 2 wasn't as important as it once was so you've seen the usual grand final suspects reign in their regular season performances.

If huddersfield win it this year 6 different teams have won it, almost 50% of the team in the competition.

So what exactly do you mean, how come more teams haven't won it?

The point I was trying to make is that if the so called big clubs are not bothered about winning the LLS and it means nothing then why haven't more lesser clubs won it over the years? If its not thought highly by certain clubs and individuals then why haven't other clubs targetted the LLS as a genuine chance of winning silverware because all of the top teams are saving themselves for the playoffs and are less worried about where they finish in the playoff positions!!

It will be 43% of the teams currently in SL who will have won the LLS if we do it tomorrow, 36% of the teams at the moment. From all of the teams who have actualy played in SL over the years the percentage goes down to 27% in a 14 team division. Thats not alot considering nobody gives a s££t about it







Only 4 teams have won the GF (29%) so far and this goes upto 36% if a new club was to win the GF this season. Only 6 different teams have actually played in a GF, 43% of clubs going off the teams currently in SL. This equates to 18% of all teams who've actual played in SL winning the GF and 27% of the teams who have played in SL over the years making the GF!!!

Its all numbers but looking at the percentages there doesn't seem to be much difference percentagewise between the teams winning the GF and the LLS so I'd say teams do want to win the LLS and set out at the start of the season to do so!!!

Steady on moggie- school doesn't start till next week!

You obviously wanted to show off your ability with percentages and stats. Are you phil clarke?

You forgot the playoff system changed. Your stats don't take account of that. under the old system finishing top gave you one home game to old trafford. That's a massive advantage. So teams did place more emphasis on finishing top before 2009 not because ''finishing top is a great prize and shows you're the most bestest ever team blah blah even though the fixtures aren't equal'', but because it gave you the greatest advantage of winning the main prize.

Under the system since 2009 the advantage of finishing top is significantly decreased. Anywhere in the top 4 gives you a great chance, so why bust a gut getting something that doesn't give you that great an advantage anymore?

Once huddersfield have been at the top for a few more years and contested/won a grand final....you'll get it. But at the moment you're clueless.

No it's fine - I get it, we need to lose our next two games as according to wigan fans losing games shows we are focussed on and ready for the playoffs and are more likely to succeed.

Not quite apart from Broughy none of the lads who will be playing in the play offs have won anything......the LLS will be the first piece of silverware any of them have picked up and if you can not see how important that is it is you who is way off the mark.

I think our squad is in as good a state physically as those who you seem to think have taken it easy so no worries we have pushed the players too far or as you say busted a gut.

I honestly think we will not win the GF this year bit that will not be because we have chased the LLS too hard but this season should be seen as a platform and if the likes of us and Salford shake things up a bit in future years the game will be much the better for it.

I hope Baloo and co are not dismissing Wigan so lightly as they have no master plan but injuries have dictated their selections in the main (bar Friday) but we know Charnley can rip us apart and if Tomkins is anywhere near fit in the play offs they have one hell of a shot at the double....if not they have the compensation that they have given experience to the likes of Hampshire, Sam Powell, Hughes, Crosby etc which may pay dividends next time around.