Totally agree Superleague/championship teams are going to fall foul of Canada’s Visa Laws whilst at least in France they can take a full team.

You can’t have a competition where teams can’t field their strongest available team away from home when relegation could destroy a club.

Sorry the RFL should come out and stop this nonsense, but if they don’t you can see why the Superleague clubs now want to control their own destiny.

Also if Toronto can’t comply with a regular season fixture list and play in Canada to the same pattern of home and away as the other teams whats the good of a Canadian based team full of English and Australians players playing in the UK to sp crowds it beggars belief !!

What happens for instance if the million pound game is in Toronto say v Widnes and Widnes can’t take their best team ?? No wonder the RFL/Toronto PR machine has gone quiet because it shows the RFL as the joke it has become !!

Now that Huddersfield are not involved hopefully people will see that this is my true opinion and it’s about time the RFL stopped destroying the game I love for expansion ideas that are nonsense !!

EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME EXPERIENCE TODAY VERSUS ROCHDALE GOES AGAINST THE POINTS IN YOUR POST...YOU ARE TOTALLY INCORRECT. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A GAME AT TORONTO TO GET THE FACTS IN MAKING A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL JUDGEMENT? Let me guess; NO.

Seeing as we have never played Toronto it’s rather unlikely but then why would I fly across the Atlantic, fortunately I can afford the cost of doing so, to see a game played between 17 non Canadians posing as a Canadian team and 90% of the time a weakened team due to Visa issues ? Get 6/8 Canadians playing in your team, a structure to bring Canadian youth into the game, then come back to the table because without the aim being a Canadian League and National team there is no point to Toronto Wolfpack.

Have you been to a game in England ?

Why should the game experience in Toronto be any better than say Widnes or Castleford where I can hop in my car and travel too and from in the same day?

It’s a four day trip to Toronto to accommodate a few thousand ‘Canadians’if this is the future of rugby league ‘God help it’ !!

I repeat Toronto bring nothing to the table for the average Rugby League supporter I would far rather go to Odsal today to watch Bradford play York where there will be home and away support which is what Rugby League is about not empty stands in a stadium where the away support should be because if people won’t travel from France they certainly won’t from Canada and mate if you don’t travel with your team home and away it’s you that’s not getting the game experience as watching your team play away every other week is a big part of supporting your team and enjoying the game and every supporter should be able to follow their team if they want to not ‘oh I can’t go this weekend cos it’s Canada’

So are you saying that Fartown 1961 is wrong about everything, What about the visa issue, is that sorted.

I don't thing anyone over here wishes Toronto any Ill will, but i do think you are making the very big mistake of thinking that enthusiasm will overcome any problems that crop up, Much the same as many people over here who are desperate to see the game expand ( which it needs to do ) shout down anyone who raises any kind of concern .

The fact is the RFL has a long history or rushing headlong into moves that almost always turn out badly. Don't forget that people over here, some who have watched the game for 70 years have seen these expansion efforts before, We have seen and heard all the hype many times.
We don't want you to fail, we just want you to succeed the right way, But no amount of talking yourself up or reminding us how poor we are at everything is going to help, It needs doing right.

If you look at the Lamport Stadium photos on the net it’s like a very old soccer ground two open concrete blocks and two flat areas behind the goals. Could well be the Rugby League helps keep it viable and it has a capacity of less than 10,000.

Another artificial pitch no thank you !!

If Wakey and Cas need a new ground then so do Toronto because Wheldon Road looks a proverbial palace against the Toronto ground oh and the pitch looks a million miles better than artificial turf too.

The RFL really don’t think things out do they.

I’m not against expansion if it’s right but as Jumbuck says we’ve all worn that T shirt before and any expansion team should have at least 8 home grown players in their 17 to make it worthwhile for the game and fair to both S/L and Championship teams.

I’m sorry Canoeman but until those bridges are built Toronto should not qualify for promotion or play in the UK leagues. There is a dome to allow the field to be used for practice in the Winter so why not play in a domed stadium ??

Lots of ifs and buts here when you look into it but then the RFL will have seen the good headlines not the realistic ones.... which is typical.

its more about getting a foothold in the north american market... tv, sponsors etc... the game does need to expand and if it did take off it would be great for the game as a whole

Toronto will win promotion and deservedly so

No Canadians in their team? No but how do you expect a grassroots to develop without a senior team? Do you want them to wait 20 years then apply to join?

Toronto have jumped through hoops and the visa thing is a red herring for poorly run clubs to use as an excuse.

And if you don't know what Toronto bring to the sport the you have paid literally no attention. The North American sports market is huge. Tapping into that market could give RL access to sponsors and tv deals unheard of in our game.

Oh and from what I've seen Lamport is a better ground than more than half the grounds in SL already

I love a good conspiracy theory, so here's mine...

I've thought for the last couple of years that the RFL are desperate to get a SL based in Bradford. With the Bulls not tearing up any trees, I believed that they set Toronto up with a view to when they got promotion to SL, they'd make them move the franchise back to England - based at Odsal.
Then when they moved their base from Brighouse to Bradford it moved a step nearer (Noble being involved also helps).
I know that this is a load of claptrap but what if...????

Have you been to a game in England ?



Why yes I have and Huddersfield was playing....this guys from Huddersfield kept grabbing me with every knock on and shouting, "He is a professional...he is supposed to be a professional!" You guys lost to Leeds that day (playoffs?).

Anyway your other points are so negative...there are no major issues over here,we are flexible. You gotta try to be a little more optimistic...I know you have seen expansions come and go.....now we have a born and bred winner in expansion, the dream has become the reality.

The sun will shine tomorrow and the cup is half full/not half empty.

I haven't a problem with Toronto in super league, yes there are some logistical issues, but people who drive change overcome them, don't back off because its too problematic, time for change

Well you have won promotion (more than likely ) on the terms everyone knew about so as far as i'm concerned you are entitled to be in, and i want it to succeed as much as the next guy. I know full well that NA is a very big market, I also know that Europe is even bigger and so far we have managed 1 super league club, However it's all to try for and i wish you well but it has to grow over there pretty quickly to have any chance IMO

We are growing fast....unbelievable really! I'm predicting we will have our first sellout during the playoffs. Its the average age of the fan base thats good too, there is a very young and youthful overall demographic...we got us a winner over here! From what i can piece together there is a real possibility that the team has just went into the black....clear canoeing from here on in.
In the playoffs how many fans would Widness or Salford or the other Super League teams bring over with them do you think? I would assume more than most of the Championship sides.