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| Quote: GIANT DAZ "translation
It's got nothing to do with it.
It's very simple.
The rules of the current competition state that the team that wins the GF are champions. Every team knows this at the start of the season and THIS is their goal.
If you can come first after the regular rounds and this fits into your ability to perform in the playoffs, great.
If coming first in the regular rounds means that your performance in the playoffs is in any way hindered, then any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't aim for it.
If Huddersfield fans are happy with winning the LLS, then great. I am happy for them.
Just do not think that all the other teams have gone all out to win it, because they clearly have not.
For those that want the "Champions" to be decided by the team that comes top after the regular rounds- fine, it's a perfectly reasonable point of view.
HOWEVER, if this were to happen, then each team would have to play each other home and away.
You cannot obviously have the CURRENT situation where teams play each other different amounts of times depending on what will draw the best crowds
If you want to believe that every team gave 100% to win the LLS then go ahead.
However, I suspect you will get thumped in the playoffs and have to accept reality.
This is not to say that Huddersfield have not had a great season- you clearly have and well done on this.
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| I think we needed all season to finish top to have any real shot of a good play off campaign. Leeds and Wigan did not and I think Wire fall somewhere in between.
Win tomorrow and the belief levels will rise and that is what we need.
Only time will tell which club has had the right strategy but then again the GF winners might not have got it right even if they win it but we have done it the way we have had to and I think how we challenge year on year is far more important than how this season ends as I am sure Baloo has a long term plan not a 2013 or bust attitude and if this is just the start anything that happens after picking up the LLS (assuming we do) is a bonus.
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| If so many teams aren't bothered about winning the LLS then how come more teams haven't won it yet? If idiots think that players set out on the field of play to lose a game then they must be deluded. There's 3 pieces of silverware to win each season and if players and teams don't want to win these trophies then they don't deserve to be professional sportsmen.
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| oh a different team is going to win the LLS rather than the usual so called big boys...
this is just not on at all shame on you huddersfield!
looking forward to seeing this team lifting the shield will live long in the memory
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "It's got nothing to do with it.
It's very simple.
The rules of the current competition state that the team that wins the GF are champions. Every team knows this at the start of the season and THIS is their goal.
If you can come first after the regular rounds and this fits into your ability to perform in the playoffs, great.
If coming first in the regular rounds means that your performance in the playoffs is in any way hindered, then any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't aim for it.
If Huddersfield fans are happy with winning the LLS, then great. I am happy for them.
Just do not think that all the other teams have gone all out to win it, because they clearly have not.
For those that want the "Champions" to be decided by the team that comes top after the regular rounds- fine, it's a perfectly reasonable point of view.
HOWEVER, if this were to happen, then each team would have to play each other home and away.
You cannot obviously have the CURRENT situation where teams play each other different amounts of times depending on what will draw the best crowds
If you ever translate that into English I might respond.
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| Quote: jools "If you want to believe your players don't go into every game giving 100% because they aren't actually wanting to win then go ahead.
Lets hope they can be equally as unprofessional by underestimating us as opponents.
Lets say for instance it was e.g saints just as an example and not Wigan -who had lost several games, inconsistent, constant changes in playing personnel - would you still be expecting us to get thumped. Other teams are looking at Wigan and licking their lips at the thought of coming up against them- which is exactly what Wigan would be doing if it was saints.'"
Leeds did it last year when Wigan were naive enough to aim for top spot at the exclusion of having a fit, healthy team for the playoffs.
It's not about Wigan, Huddersfield or any club. It's about the structure of the competition.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "If you ever translate that into English I might respond.'"
Comprehension not your strong point? Makes perfect sense to me in response to your underlined and in bold comment which is I'm assuming the main point you were trying to make ( rather than just coming across as desperate) if I were you I'd toddle off back to the rest of the "straw clutchers" on your board. See you in the playoffs- or perhaps not going by your recent form.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Leeds did it last year when Wigan were naive enough to aim for top spot at the exclusion of having a fit, healthy team for the playoffs.
It's not about Wigan, Huddersfield or any club. It's about the structure of the competition.'"
Absolute rubbish! If you are trying to compare Leeds of last season with Wigan of this you are way off the mark! Leeds did not "rest" star players for several games, they did not play without flair or direction. They lost a few games at the odd time in the season but did not come into the playoffs in a poor run of form with a team who hadn't played together as a unit all season. You clearly don't have a fit healthy squad! Unlike the giants who most certainly have- and what's more a fit healthy squad who have played together all season and just had a weeks rest! More straw clutching!
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| Quote: brearley84 "oh a different team is going to win the LLS rather than the usual so called big boys...
this is just not on at all
You're missing the point.
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| Quote: moggie "If so many teams aren't bothered about winning the LLS then how come more teams haven't won it yet? '"
In recent years wigan warrington and huddersfield (this year) have all won it, they have all been teams who have had lean periods of differing degrees so finishing top is obviously a milestone and seen as a stepping stone for bigger success.
Before that, perennial grand final contestants leeds and saints won it between themselves for 6 or 7 years, mainly due to the fact there was little other competition, but also the most important fact. The playoff system changed. In recent years finishing in the top 2 wasn't as important as it once was so you've seen the usual grand final suspects reign in their regular season performances.
If huddersfield win it this year 6 different teams have won it, almost 50% of the team in the competition.
So what exactly do you mean, how come more teams haven't won it?
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "In recent years wigan warrington and huddersfield (this year) have all won it, they have all been teams who have had lean periods of differing degrees so finishing top is obviously a milestone and seen as a stepping stone for bigger success.
Before that, perennial grand final contestants leeds and saints won it between themselves for 6 or 7 years, mainly due to the fact there was little other competition, but also the most important fact. The playoff system changed. In recent years finishing in the top 2 wasn't as important as it once was so you've seen the usual grand final suspects reign in their regular season performances.
If huddersfield win it this year 6 different teams have won it, almost 50% of the team in the competition.
So what exactly do you mean, how come more teams haven't won it?'"
The point I was trying to make is that if the so called big clubs are not bothered about winning the LLS and it means nothing then why haven't more lesser clubs won it over the years? If its not thought highly by certain clubs and individuals then why haven't other clubs targetted the LLS as a genuine chance of winning silverware because all of the top teams are saving themselves for the playoffs and are less worried about where they finish in the playoff positions!!
It will be 43% of the teams currently in SL who will have won the LLS if we do it tomorrow, 36% of the teams at the moment. From all of the teams who have actualy played in SL over the years the percentage goes down to 27% in a 14 team division. Thats not alot considering nobody gives a s££t about it
Only 4 teams have won the GF (29%) so far and this goes upto 36% if a new club was to win the GF this season. Only 6 different teams have actually played in a GF, 43% of clubs going off the teams currently in SL. This equates to 18% of all teams who've actual played in SL winning the GF and 27% of the teams who have played in SL over the years making the GF!!!
Its all numbers but looking at the percentages there doesn't seem to be much difference percentagewise between the teams winning the GF and the LLS so I'd say teams do want to win the LLS and set out at the start of the season to do so!!!
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| Steady on moggie- school doesn't start till next week!
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| Quote: moggie "The point I was trying to make is that if the so called big clubs are not bothered about winning the LLS and it means nothing then why haven't more lesser clubs won it over the years? If its not thought highly by certain clubs and individuals then why haven't other clubs targetted the LLS as a genuine chance of winning silverware because all of the top teams are saving themselves for the playoffs and are less worried about where they finish in the playoff positions!!
It will be 43% of the teams currently in SL who will have won the LLS if we do it tomorrow, 36% of the teams at the moment. From all of the teams who have actualy played in SL over the years the percentage goes down to 27% in a 14 team division. Thats not alot considering nobody gives a s££t about it
You obviously wanted to show off your ability with percentages and stats. Are you phil clarke?
You forgot the playoff system changed. Your stats don't take account of that. under the old system finishing top gave you one home game to old trafford. That's a massive advantage. So teams did place more emphasis on finishing top before 2009 not because ''finishing top is a great prize and shows you're the most bestest ever team blah blah even though the fixtures aren't equal'', but because it gave you the greatest advantage of winning the main prize.
Under the system since 2009 the advantage of finishing top is significantly decreased. Anywhere in the top 4 gives you a great chance, so why bust a gut getting something that doesn't give you that great an advantage anymore?
Once huddersfield have been at the top for a few more years and contested/won a grand final....you'll get it. But at the moment you're clueless.
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