I don't get a buzz out of moaning. I give credit where it's due. As it happens we've just lost 19-0 at home to a team tipped to finish in the bottom 4. So sorry if I'm not shouting from the roof tops.

kopczak put the best hit in on sunday at least, his face doesnt seem to fit with alot of supporters though, mullallys seems to be he can do no wrong in some eyes

this forum goes into melt down after a defeat, suppose its the nature of a forum, shame its not the same when we win

Cant argue with that, fc and saints have both got rid because he wasnt good enough

Kopczacks face doesn't fit with me as I believe he didn't make any effort last season. He appeared to just be going through the motions. He didn't seem interested or cared that much.

When he changes my mind about this and warns some credit, I'll give it.

in andersons column he has said that the first try was a forward pass and the 3rd was from an obstruction which the ref admitted it was too after the game, but he said its still no excuse.

Looking at the preview for tonights TV game and seeing Salford and their "physical approach". They will crap all over us when we play, much like they did at our place last season. When teams come to get nasty we get splattered!

Looking at the shocking defensive line- I don't think they will

i've seen us when we've been really pants Dan, we are not that bad yet

Aye, it seems I put the mockers on them! Their second half capitulation was an eye opener. Hock; the man gets worse as he gets older. Ridiculous.

We have been many levels of pants down the years haven't we. From my early memories in the 80's when I was so young I didn't realise we had a league table, to when I did realise and we were bottom (bar Runcorn). Then being good-ish in the lower tier. Then good. Then crap in the top tier. You know the rest!

In a way I preferred the ignorance of youth! The league table didn't matter cos I didn't know there was one! It was all about that 80mins. Nothing else. We lost more than we won and maybe it was me being green as grass but we seemed to try harder then. Maybe I'm getting more cynical. Maybe I should take maybe out of my previous sentence! Haha!

Hock is a thug- pure and simple- he doesn't give a stuff if he seriously hurts someone or finishes a career. Nasty nasty piece of work.

and he proved at times what a good player he is before deciding to stop playing...what a waste could have become a really really top player rather than a crazed pyscho

i remember how excited i was when briefly in 1989 we were 2nd or 3rd in the league i think after 3 games..then we played trafford borough and it was downhill from there

That`s because we used to go and watch a game for enjoyment and entertainment, whereas these days it is win at all costs. That is the B.all and end.all of present day sport :- where you are in the league and how many trophy`s the team can win.

19-0 flattered Hull and we bombed enough chances to win the game - put it down to lack of game time

I can remember a couple of times Jerry got the ball way too early and the cover could get over, hopefully that's sorted for tonight

It's a game of millimetres and we weren't on target - how many times did we spill the ball at the defensive line in their 20? Kicks way off target etc

Poor pre-season is to blame and that needs looking at.

Ask me in 3 games time if we're in trouble