Thanks for your response jools, i feel you have just reinforces what i have been saying. You seem to be saying that basically the club is going nowhere because , We dont have lots of people volunteering their time besides their season ticket money, They haven't shunned any discounts in the way HKR fans have, The club have asked for support many times "quote " whilst paying people to run the club. So what we are left with is a muti-million pound business that is struggling along because it doesn't get enough volunteer help from the fans who are prepared to put more money into the club , Well there's a surprise, Once again It's not the baffling and bungling decisions made by the people running the club that is the whole problem, It's the lack of effort from the fans.

99% of fans , are just that, They pay their season ticket money or gate money and all they want is to watch a good match, They don't want to be blamed for the mess inside the club, I keep trying to tell people , If the corner shop fails, You don't blame the customer, you find out what you are doing wrong, If that turns out to be the staff, you get staff that do it right.

You say i should ring the club and ask what i could do to help, I have been there in the past jools, i have sponsored players i have taken ad space in Programs, I have done my bit, That was at a time when the club was really in need and the people who were running it then were putting far more on the line than i was.

What we have now is something very different, we have people running the club ( probably very well paid ) who are taking the club nowhere, It is as you say Mr Davy's club he can do as he wants, and as you also say, he will suffer the consequences, as will the fans, but at least they can just stop going, ( which they are doing) and for which they will ultimately get vilified for by some. If Mr Davy is happy with things, who are we to bother.

No- the club is going nowhere because people moan about and think because they pay to turn up that should give them a say in how it's run- without actually knowing how it IS run.
That's fine- if people don't want to get involved they don't have to- but don't then moan when it isn't being done the way you want!

This thread is depressing

Too many people being deliberately insulted and upset and comments


The club at times seem distant from the fans

HGSA bridges that gap, all is needed is a fiver subs and to go to meetings, but apparently that's not enough...you want it spoon feeding

Have mistakes been made? Of course, but we still have a super league club to support, will mistakes be made in future? Almost certainly, but it's going to do no good to argue with each other about it, not until we're directors of the club or significant investors

I wonder what would have happened if KD had given Tony Smith the money he wanted - i suspect he's spent it in spades since then

Well at least we have reached agreement on something jools. We both agree the club is going nowhere, You think It's because of moaning fans, I think It's because some people aren't up to the job. Progress of a sort.

Fair enough meast, I do understand what you are trying to say, I have to say it still makes no sense to me whatever, except that as you say, I couldn't expect to hear the stuff that other people had payed to hear, for free.

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Some people see themselves as entitled to know everything that goes on in other people's lives just because they are a "fan" of the club, and yet continue to be negative and pull everything and everyone down, that's not aimed at you specifically JJ but just generally.
I wouldn't expect to know everything that happens inside the club and people's personal and private thoughts just because i support the team,
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I have no idea what this section is about at all. I know it is not " aimed at me specifically " although i am the only person you mention in it.

I am interested to hear why you class people as bitching whining moaners because they post their opinions on the forum.

Quote: brearley84 "is connor still going?! last statement from the club was from thewlis saying their would be hell on if it went ahead or to words of that affect ... gone quiet Still going Brearley www.hullfc.com/news/2016-10-08-p ... ake-connor

Quote: brearley84 "is connor still going?! last statement from the club was from thewlis saying their would be hell on if it went ahead or to words of that affect ... gone quiet Still going Brearley www.hullfc.com/news/2016-10-08-p ... ake-connor

then heres a scenario to give all posters in this argument food for thought............

A newcomer applies to become a member and submits his form and a fiver
As one more on the membership roster, he lives locally , has suitable credentials and is enthusiastically "welcomed on board"

He then regularly attends the regular question and answer sessions , and regularly plays golf /enjoys a drink/was best man(?) and is a close friend of or actually is an employee of the rugby league press or media ...................?

Hypothetical scenario I know, but bearing in mind todays press not totally unimagineable!

Playing devils advocate for a moment, it occurs to me , that,despite every effort to maintain close relations with our club fan base (which would be highly commendable in a perfect world ), the club , management and Ken would be very naive to allow sensitive / confidential information to be disclosed to all and sundry , and even press releases will be carefully edited and worded ( do you agree / or not - depending on your particular viewpoint.)..........?
Answers (on a postcard to)................

Im a little lost as to what this has to do with Stone or coaching or am i missing something?

Is there a topic hiding somewhere titled fans getting on each others t*ts that has all our Ricks coaching abilities been discussed and the two have got mixed up?

On a brighter note looking forward to next season and getting my season ticket and hopefully see some movement in and out of the club to freshen things up

Two reasons why the club did not come out of the facts neither is prticualrly positive in my view.

If Baloo did not want him then that was a coaching decision. It is up to others to determine if that was a mistake or not. Bringing Latne Patrick back and letting Hughes go was a mistake. Was it because of the coach or was it because Wigan wanted Patrick and we demanded a fee. In the end we brought back a player who moved on very quickly. In my view that was a mistake. We could probably have kept Hughes if we had let Patrick go for nothing. They could not say it was Baloos decision at the time because he was under so much pressure and it would have added extra voices to those who said Baloo should go.

Now for those that are bemoaning Connor going are they the same ones who wanted Baloo to stay because either way they are wrong on at least one point.


The second scenario is that although we wanted to keep Connor we thought we could do it on the cheap. Offer him a deal and if he refused and went somewhere else we thought we would be entitled to compensation. In te end the management of Hull FC were a lot cleverer than hours and exploited a loophole which our management had not foreseen. Hence Thelis's bizarre and inncurate rant that if Hull wanted him then they would have to pay us.

The club tell the fans nothing because if they told the truth it would add to those who already raise questions about the management of the club.

How do you work out we could have kept Hughes if we had let Patrick go for nothing? Hughes was OOC at Wigan, Patrick still had a year left.

Because Wigan said they wanted to keep him. Shaun Wane said in the press I want to keep him.

But They then said they were not prepared to pay a transfer fee that the Giants were asking. Go and look at the press reports at the time.

Because we would not let Patrick go for free we had less room on the SC.

I said at the time we should not bring back an unhappy player.

But no we brought him back it was clear he did not want to be here, damaged morales so we let him go to Cas on loan for NO MONEY to get rid. That was 3 months into the season when we were struggling with injuries and had little chance to bring anyone of quality in.

If we had let him go at the end of last season we could have done some better planning for the 2016 season.


If we had let Robbo retire when it was clear he was crocked we could have done some better planning for the 2016 season.

THIS IS NOT FOOKING ROCKET SCIENCE IT IS BASIC FOOKING MANAGEMENT DO YOU NOT GET THAT.

SOMETHING OUR CLUB SEEMS INCAPABLE OF DOING.

So if we had let a player go for nothing you wouldn't have moaned about that? You would rather Wigan bent us over and smacked our backside and had us as a mug? You've moaned about the wY they handled Connor getting nothing for him but you think Wigan should have been able to walk all over us. Yep that would stand us in good stead in future negotiations....
How do you know cas paid us nothing???? You don't. You are happy to believe the press when it's another club but not when it's us. You don't know what the club agreed with cas, and you do t know the negotiations that were discussed with Wigan either.

I never moaned about us gettin nothing for Connor. Personally I don't rate him except as a squad player. Maybe he will prove me wrong.

I moaned about us been to stupid to manage the situation properly


YES I SAID AT THE TIME WITH Patrick we should have got shut, his form had dipped he did not want to be here. Sometimes it is better to cut your losses to move on. If it was a choice of taking a hit on Patrick to get Hughes I would have kissed wanes to seal the deal.

Instead we bring him back when we did not want him and then let him go when it was clear he did not want to play for us.

If I remember correctly we wanted to keep Hughes but he wanted to be nearer home for personal family reasons so went over t'other side of the hill.