take lawrence out and you lose the tackling and also leadership on the field which is already woeful, we have lost hinchy now

our second row is awful compared to other teams... ferguson may be a ray of hope

Leroy brings back a bit of leadership and when Leroy plays Jerry’s back to his best usually. I don’t think we have a leader on the pitch any more that’s one of the main things we are lacking

Ref didn't have a bad game. We are our own worst enemy.

The issue isn't the players, it isn't the coach, we've had the same issues for the last 5 years, there is something deeper that causes this. A mentality thing about being a huddersfield player. We need leadership at the club and someone who accepts nothing less than 100% commitment and accountability,from top to bottom.

I'm starting to think who cares, fans give up on the players too easily, there is no atmosphere whatsoever at games, the numbers are dropping, mediocrity is becoming acceptable and the only reason for us losing is blaming the ref or any player that makes an error or too, often from trying too hard.

Doesn’t matter if it was a knock on or not. The players all stopped and waved the Hull player past.

Basic stuff. Play to the whistle. You’d tell off an under 9s team for that one. It was dismal.

When has a kick through been a knock on?

Clever thinking after dropping the ball and none of our guys reacted!

Steve, my view is that they’re better than they’re putting out there and, at times, they seem to stop playing. The defensive line stays still rather than push up and we just seem to stop trying.

This isn’t new and is a characteristic that isn’t unique to a particular coaches reign. The players look like they don’t care as much as the opposition.

We are in a paradoxical situation. The ref gave us nothing but then the ref shouldn’t have to. The second penalty on the 5th and last in the second half - what was it for? I have issues with what I perceive as a lack of even handedness by the referee but it pales into comparison with the lack of leadership, commitment and effort by our players.

Our heads drop like someone cutting the string on pinnochio’s head. No pride, no professionalism and the one or two that actually try deserve better.

Woolford’s comments really worry me because the issues he says are hard to fix are precisely the ones he is paid to address.

Worrying but there is time. I’ll be going to work tomorrow in a bad mood. Not good times to be from Huddersfield.

Having now seen the tries there was certainly nothing wrong with Westerman's first. A bit flukey perhaps, but quick thinking and not a knock on. You have to play to the whistle. It's one of the first things you ever learn in sport.

Quote: Joehudds "Hit the ground first Look like a knock from where I was sat but if not my bad , I agree with a lot of things your saying but I think something that could solve our problems imo is when waddle and leroy fit move tuner to 13 cause no offence to Bruno but you need someone who can pass in there and I don’t think he’s the one'" Watch it again here. It went nowhere near the ground. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... 28-hull-fc

Quote: Joehudds "Hit the ground first Look like a knock from where I was sat but if not my bad , I agree with a lot of things your saying but I think something that could solve our problems imo is when waddle and leroy fit move tuner to 13 cause no offence to Bruno but you need someone who can pass in there and I don’t think he’s the one'" Watch it again here. It went nowhere near the ground. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... 28-hull-fc

He kicked the ball before it touched the floor or another player, no knock on.

That sums it up nicely.

I always look at the defensive line speed as a sign of intent.

Ours stutters from decent to two steps forward two sideways and two back - a bit like waltzing (not that I know owt about dancing).

I thought Oliver Russell showed the best line speed for us yesterday which for his size says it all.

A lot of hard looks in the mirror required I feel otherwise a long, hard season ultimately ending in relegation.

At the moment it looks like it's between us, Leeds and Wigan!

Whoda thought it.

Indeed. At least Town have had an adventure.

The difference is that football is so skewed to the top four or five clubs that there’s no hope whatsoever that Town will ever compete with them, unless a foriegn billionaire fancies spending half a billion pounds.

But there are no structural reasons why the Giants can’t compete with Wigan and Saints etc That’s very frustrating to me.

picked out the forwards too..thats the biggest problem, been saying it since last season...

we all agree apart from one poster.

come on, warrington and leeds pay marquee players so spend more than us to name just two

the problem is now we arent an attractive club to join, the only way we can get players now is to offer a longer deal than another club... uate for example a 3 yr deal... others maybe offered 2 but he will come here for an extra year.. just an example there are others in this team too

then you can delve further into the academy scene where the top youngsters in the area are being picked up by the clubs with more money, offering them money at a young age, cant blame the parents too for saying you would be better going to wigan etc than hudds