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| Quote: Hangerman2 "We have only had two quality coaches, Nathan Brown and Tony Smith. Look what Tony is now doing with Hull once he is starting to put him stamp on the side. Hoy and Clifford are quality and run the show. I said earlier in the year that we have the second worst spine in superleague, and i fully stick by it, we are truly woeful with the ball. Connor and Lolohea do exactly the same job. We have too many chiefs and not enough indians, and the chiefs we have are all the same ilk, slow with decent distribution, but who are they distributing to?! We have ZERO proven tryscorers amongst the wingers and clearly this is a year too far for Jerry. It would be forgivable if this was a side Watson inherited (Like Smith and Hull) and he was transitioning but is absolutely is not.
As for coaching, last year there were a few set moves which worked for the early part of the year, once sides got wise to them we could not score for love nor money. Since then there has been ZERO development in attacking shape. Every side i have watched this year have exposed Hurrell in defence due to his poor mobility, we didn't attempt to do that even once, not that we have the players to do it anyway.
His signings this year have all been truly woeful, barring Naiqama, who would look much better with better service
It's okay, Olly Russell is back next week against Wire.....
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "We have only had two quality coaches, Nathan Brown and Tony Smith. Look what Tony is now doing with Hull once he is starting to put him stamp on the side. Hoy and Clifford are quality and run the show. I said earlier in the year that we have the second worst spine in superleague, and i fully stick by it, we are truly woeful with the ball. Connor and Lolohea do exactly the same job. We have too many chiefs and not enough indians, and the chiefs we have are all the same ilk, slow with decent distribution, but who are they distributing to?! We have ZERO proven tryscorers amongst the wingers and clearly this is a year too far for Jerry. It would be forgivable if this was a side Watson inherited (Like Smith and Hull) and he was transitioning but is absolutely is not.
As for coaching, last year there were a few set moves which worked for the early part of the year, once sides got wise to them we could not score for love nor money. Since then there has been ZERO development in attacking shape. Every side i have watched this year have exposed Hurrell in defence due to his poor mobility, we didn't attempt to do that even once, not that we have the players to do it anyway.
His signings this year have all been truly woeful, barring Naiqama, who would look much better with better service
Can't argue with any of that. I've read a lot times that "on paper Huddersfield have their strongest squad for years" but I just can't see it myself.
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| Quote: Steve May "Can't argue with any of that. I've read a lot times that "on paper Huddersfield have their strongest squad for years" but I just can't see it myself.'"
Let's compare with says Salford, Watsons old team and compare spine and backs man for man:
Full back - Lolohea v Brierley (lolohea better)
Winger - Burgess v Jerry or Bibby (Burgess better, sorry Jerry you were great once)
Winger - Sio v Senior or Halsall (Sio by a mile)
Centre - Marsters v Lafai (Lafai by a mile)
Centre - Naiqama v Watkins (Tough one this, different players on current form Watkins)
Stand off - Croft v Connor, Pryce, or Russell (Croft by a mile)
Scrum Half - Sneyd v Fages (Sneyd)
Hooker - Ackers v Peets, O'Brien and Milner combined! (Ackers still by a mile!)
I would think it difficult for anyone to make different choices if offered both players for their teams, and yet we have a 'great squad'. This is before you look at combinations and mixing pace, passing ability, kicking game etc, which when you do Salford go further ahead as a lot of our players have identical skillsets.
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| After attending the Magic weekend which we do every year, I am really upset at our total inadequacies across the whole team. I know that players dont go out and deliberately under perform to p**s me off but every other team I watched over the weekend would have done a job on us except maybe Wakefield. I am at a loss to understand what Ian Watson is trying to do so much so that I have cancelled all my plans and travel to Warrington on Saturday and chucked my season ticket in the bin. After the Hull away game I said I was done but after the last five games I certainly am now.
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| Quote: WelshGiant "It's okay, Olly Russell is back next week against Wire.....'"
Thank god Olly was playing today, i have no idea what we would have done without his tipping the ball on to the man outside him and giving away three tries. Don't think i would have noticed he was playing if not for the two missed tackles that directly led to tries and the one he missed in the air that led to another.
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| Surely this can’t be allowed to go on any more with Watson - we’re a shambles and his constant changes in selection particularly at full back and half back don’t allow for any building of cohesion. When we have much vaunted academy why is there an obsession with signing 30 somethings? I thought signing Connor was a bad move and have seen nothing to change my mind - I might be wrong but his presence seems to have coincided with Lolehea losing form. He doesn’t know who to pick from his big pool of players and we have gone so far back. He has criticised players in public which never ends well and leads to the type of performance we have tonight.
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| Quote: Gazzagiant2 "Surely this can’t be allowed to go on any more with Watson - we’re a shambles and his constant changes in selection particularly at full back and half back don’t allow for any building of cohesion. When we have much vaunted academy why is there an obsession with signing 30 somethings? I thought signing Connor was a bad move and have seen nothing to change my mind - I might be wrong but his presence seems to have coincided with Lolehea losing form. He doesn’t know who to pick from his big pool of players and we have gone so far back. He has criticised players in public which never ends well and leads to the type of performance we have tonight.'"
We are a side without any ambition or will to win and worse than that we don't know how to play football, Did anyone se an offload from the Giants tonight , I can't remember one.
They are an embarrassment in attack and a disgrace in defence, Surely Watson will go after tonight and take half that team with him , God knows what hes going to try next.
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| I've said everything i need to say already and sadly it is all proving correct. He has his first choice spine out and that is the result. There is only one change that is required, Watson has to go. He has no idea what a good player looks like, the longer Ken waits, the more deadwood we are going to get landed with.
One simple question. Is a coach who thinks that Olly Russell, Nathan Peats, and Adam Milner belong in the spine of a superleague side, and isn't even looking to recruit in those areas capable of building a side that is anything other than relegation fodder?
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| There are wider implications to this in that interest / enthusiasm for supporting and going to games is dropping and will have a long term impact on an already small support base. I think the club needs a complete refresh and an injection of real enthusiasm and engagement with the town and communities but that will have more chance of succeeding with a competitive team that is enjoyable to watch - which is not what we have now, the team last night looked physically weak, which we know they arent, so indicates a complete lack of determination and willingness to put full effort in so if that continues they will see less and less bums on seats despite a drive to get a record crowd against Leeds in August - now that's a real joke!!
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| It's fairly obvious what is happening. Watson insists on his process driven drivel which forces most players to play in a way that is against their natural instincts and they probably don't enjoy. When things are going well and the results are there, they will put up with it, but when, like now, it's going pearshaped they wont play a boring unattractive style of rugby that they don't enjoy when it is bearing no fruit.
Sadly what will happen, is that all the good players will leave for decent clubs and we will be left with the players who need that process driven crap to make themselves look like semi decent rugby players. I am willing to bet that Russell, Bibby, Peats, Senior, Marsters and Milner won't be going anywhere and Watson will sign more dross into the sinking ship in a fruitless search for players who are prepared to buy into his crappy style.
End it now Ken before he saddles us with more crap players for the next 2 or 3 years that will end any hopes of success during that time frame
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| Lots of commonsense there.
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| Hats off to the players & coaching staff over the last two games, especially the Catalans game, nobody gave us a chance - including me with how things have been going but that was a tremendous result.
Followed it up with a comprehensive result against Wakefield who have just been on a massive high after beating Leeds Rhinos & Wigan Warriors.
Having Jerry back has made a massive difference for me, he's just a beast of a player, takes the pressure off the forwards making those hard yards when coming in off the wing, his wing play is fantastic & its a joy to see him back in Fartown colours, I just hope he can stay injury free now, earn that 1 year contract for next year - imagine having Jerry & Swift as our wingers next year!
Now rest those bodies up, we've a massive game in 2 weeks live on Sky Sports vs Hull FC
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| We could have Billy Boston and Martin Offiah as our wingers next year and we would still be woeful with our current spine. Theo Fages is going, who when he has played has been by far the best half. Go look at the stats for Olly Russell on the superleague site:
Tries : 0
Try assists 1:
Clean Breaks : 0
Average gain: 2.9 metres per carry
This is a half back watson thinks is a mainstay of our side, and i haven't seen any moves to sign others. A guy who simply tips the ball on to the player outside him or inside to a forward and puts the odd kick in. Add Milner and Peats to the mix and nothing is going to change here. Wow we have beaten Wakefield twice and Castlefield twice and admittedly got two good wins against Catalans all year. We are totally and utterly knackered for the foreseeable future in my opinion, and we don't even have quota spots available to make any changes.
Listening to what Watson said post match i would imagine that McQueen is going to be leaving at the end of the year too which continues our run of losing our best player at ehe nd of every year (last year it was Leutele and Levi and before that Edwards and Sezar).
Sorry but i find it very difficult to have any enthusiasm at all for the hole i see that we are in due to our horrible recruitment and drubbing championship wakefield doesnt change my mind
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "We could have Billy Boston and Martin Offiah as our wingers next year and we would still be woeful with our current spine. Theo Fages is going, who when he has played has been by far the best half. Go look at the stats for Olly Russell on the superleague site
Intresting to see Levi - who claims to be homesick which is why we let him leave is now set to be a Leeds Rhinos player next season.....
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| Quote: WelshGiant "Intresting to see Levi - who claims to be homesick which is why we let him leave is now set to be a Leeds Rhinos player next season.....'"
He isn't - he is signing on again with Canberra
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