| FORUMS > Huddersfield Giants > OT - Gareth Hock is NOT the messiah |
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I prefer square kids myself.
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| Whatever issues you (Mutts) and MarsdenGiant have can you please not let them tarnish every thread.
Cut the crap out or you'll both have a spell in the sin bin!  |
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| Quote: League fan "Kevin Brown's view on Hock (his brother in law)
From the quotes it seems pretty open and shut, doesn't it. A text I got from a Wigan pal today reads:
"The worst kept secret in Wigan is finally out. Hock is such an a4sehole."
As I've said before, he's a silly lad.
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Quote: Marsdengiant "
In your first post you said ]As for Wigan dealing with it properely i find it concerning and unfair [iit has been leaked[/i before his b sample has been tested
Now you sayI do not know whether it was leaked]
That is right i do not know if it was leaked or just an oficial statement or an official statement after a leak. I will try to remember to be more careful with my choice of language next time i will write LEAKED or RELEASED. either way it seems unfair to me to publically name someone before all the evidence / judgement is available. ( similar position to naming men charged with rape before the trial).
The assertion about the 'notorious' nature of drug testing appears totally without evidence. Do you have any - other than anecdote - or is it another case of 'assuming something and drawing unfounded conclusions'?
www.passyourdrugtest.com/false-positives.htm is an example.
I also worked a case where a drug testing agency giving evidence in court, of a woman who had a positive drug test which was not confirmed by a subsequent test and then a hair strand test confirmed no drug use explained to the court that it was a false positive and that many false positives occur in testing. I cannot quote the figure as i cannot remember it exactly but it is a significant number.
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Quote: Marsdengiant "
In your first post you said ]As for Wigan dealing with it properely i find it concerning and unfair [iit has been leaked[/i before his b sample has been tested
Now you sayI do not know whether it was leaked]
That is right i do not know if it was leaked or just an oficial statement or an official statement after a leak. I will try to remember to be more careful with my choice of language next time i will write LEAKED or RELEASED. either way it seems unfair to me to publically name someone before all the evidence / judgement is available. ( similar position to naming men charged with rape before the trial).
The assertion about the 'notorious' nature of drug testing appears totally without evidence. Do you have any - other than anecdote - or is it another case of 'assuming something and drawing unfounded conclusions'?
www.passyourdrugtest.com/false-positives.htm is an example.
I also worked a case where a drug testing agency giving evidence in court, of a woman who had a positive drug test which was not confirmed by a subsequent test and then a hair strand test confirmed no drug use explained to the court that it was a false positive and that many false positives occur in testing. I cannot quote the figure as i cannot remember it exactly but it is a significant number.
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| Quote: Mutts "i have the correct attributes to be round kids ok sugar , we have had this conversation
Looks like the story was out for a while if they press have managed to speak to people and run a story so quickly.
Possibly Hock has admitted his guilt which explains why the story came out so quickly before his b sample is analysed.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Quote: Durham Giant "
In your first post you said ]As for Wigan dealing with it properely i find it concerning and unfair [iit has been leaked[/i before his b sample has been tested
Now you sayI do not know whether it was leaked]
That is right i do not know if it was leaked or just an oficial statement or an official statement after a leak. I will try to remember to be more careful with my choice of language next time i will write LEAKED or RELEASED. either way it seems unfair to me to publically name someone before all the evidence / judgement is available. ( similar position to naming men charged with rape before the trial).
The assertion about the 'notorious' nature of drug testing appears totally without evidence. Do you have any - other than anecdote - or is it another case of 'assuming something and drawing unfounded conclusions'?
So you don't know a thing re the leak / non leak. I do see that. It comes through loud and clear.
Other than rape cases people who are charged are named! there is often a huge time lag between a person being charged and a trial.
The well established procedures for sport are clear that a +ve 'a' sample that is challenged by the athete leads to a b sample and a 'tribunal'. The athlete is suspended pending the 'tribunal'. Naming the athlete while the b test is pending is standard practice and not a leak.
And I see you have no evidence that sports drugs tests are 'notoriously unreliable' .
There will be a 'b' test and a proper 'tribunal'. Hock will go through a legally robust process.
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IIRC Penkwyicz was banned pending a second test and hearing when he got done for the 'roids.
www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 84756.html
This seems to confirm that so it certainly seems as if these kind of cases, involving drugs not associated with medical conditions and more of recreational or enhancing variety, are dealt with in this way normally. Whether that is the right thing to do is another matter but it seems Wigan haven't done anything unusual with their treatment of the player or reporting of the incident. |
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IIRC Penkwyicz was banned pending a second test and hearing when he got done for the 'roids.
www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 84756.html
This seems to confirm that so it certainly seems as if these kind of cases, involving drugs not associated with medical conditions and more of recreational or enhancing variety, are dealt with in this way normally. Whether that is the right thing to do is another matter but it seems Wigan haven't done anything unusual with their treatment of the player or reporting of the incident. | |
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| Quote: Mutts "and you sir make a habit of mentioning me or Wakefield.if you ask me nicely i will send you a photo
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "No need - PBG
Now can we focus on the Hock case as suggested by PBG?'"
Maybe not a need but a salient point lost to mutts.  |
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "Maybe not a need but a salient point lost to mutts. ![]()
 care to pm it , seeing as its so relevant to me
sorry mods if this means a ban being issued , i know you warned us both and then marsden again ...we just dont seem capable .
come on marsden pm it to me
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| Quote: Mutts "
Back to topic.
There are a lot of rumours about recreational drugs in the game. Hopefully the Hock case will be a wake up call for players taking, or thinking about taking, these drugs.
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "icon_rolleyes.gif ![]()
You seem to have a bit of a habit of making a comment after a mod has tried to get a post back on topic and when you get a reply hide behind the "back to topic" remarks.
I'm getting pretty fecked off with coming onto the board and seeing a poster ridiculed over their point of view because you dont agree with it. In this case Mutts has said his piece and you've said yours. Now lets leave it at that because its obvious neither of you will back down from your respective stances.
I seem to remember thats why you were banned in the first instance. Don't make the same mistake again under this alias.
Last warning!
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