JJ, i take your point, but how do you know that the people running the club aren't doing a good job? for all we know,Mr Davy might be happy with the way things are?, as fans we don't get to see or know about the daily things that go on, like running the club.
i agree that mistakes might have been made in the past and as a club we could do things better, but it's only your opinion that people aren't doing their jobs properly etc, people within the club,players, coaches, seem to think people are doing a decent job in trying circumstances.
Whilst i do appreciate your opinion and do understand that the club could do better, it's pure speculation about what goes on and who does what and where etc, as fans we will never be privvy to that and as fans we should leave the running of the club to the people who know best.

Ok let's start with a few recent ones.

The mason saga. How much did that cost the club. I estimated about £250 k

The kopczak saga. £20k

Not getting rid of Nathan brown earlier. Cost. £ ?

Getting rid of Bodgy. Cost ?

Changing the training programme and. Losing Greg Brown. How much more would it have cost to keep him £10 or 20 K. If you and other posters say we were so unfit we lost games then this season the cost financially has been huge.

Going into a season with a small squad and losing Robbo when it was clear he was at best a huge huge risk. Cost £ incalculable.

The Connor saga. Whether we want to keep him or not it was poorly handled.

All of these I would say are factual problems.

Others are harder to quantify. Around marketing, decision making, recruitment.

If you look at stones comments and you as a loyal supporter will believe everything the club say, then we are too soft, too fat, not mentally tough enough, with the wrong squad.

Whoever is responsible for everyone of the above things I. Can guarantee it is not the fans and the people of Huddersfield who are to blame Unlike what the club and loyal supporters try to lead us to believe

If Mr Davy is happy what is going on at the club then we are doomed.

And to suggest the people running the club know best is laughable.

The people running RBS were the best people to run it.

Theresa May is the best person to run the country so we must let them get on with it without criticism or challenge.

For folks sake man go and buy some hot lava java and wake up.

If the supporters association and loyal fans were not so supine maybe Ken might say or think something different

is connor still going?! last statement from the club was from thewlis saying their would be hell on if it went ahead or to words of that affect ... gone quiet

We have what we have. It's kens club and he will do as he sees fit if that's wrong then He also has to suffer the consequences - mostly in his pocket. We don't have volunteers queuing up to put their time, expertise and money into the club.
We don't even have many supporters interested enough to join the supporters association and contribute- join and ask the questions you want answering.
The blame is on the board- and yes they have made some almighty cockups- but ken can't do it alone and without him and those others Supporting him there wouldn't be s club. We leave it all up to them then moan when we don't like the outcome.
Look at the way KR supporters have rallied round their club- only 5% took an offered discount- that wouldn't happen at hudds because we moan and complain but aren't willing to do a thing to help change the things we complain about.
The club have asked for support many times- once such time I believe Daz was the only person who put himself forward. There's an apathy from outside the club also- instead of coming on a forum and moaning about what we do badly you should contact the club and ask what you could do to help improve things. Durham did that, but when the club wouldn't or couldn't take on board some of his ideas he took his bat and ball home and he's done nothing but moan about them since. The HGSA was set up just after to try to get supporters to contribute their thoughts in a cordinates way- people can't be bothered to join for a fiver a year....

It means, that anybody is welcome to come to a meeting and hear what people say but they also trust that some of the more sensitive stuff and personal thoughts are kept away from social media etc.

You wouldn't expect an evening with, say, a famous person to be broadcast to the wider public, imagine if you had paid for the privilege of hearing someone's thoughts and sensitive stuff, you wouldn't then expect everyone to have access to what was said, that's basically what happens, people ask for things not to be broadcast to the wider public, but anyone is able to come and see and hear the speakers.

Some people see themselves as entitled to know everything that goes on in other people's lives just because they are a "fan" of the club, and yet continue to be negative and pull everything and everyone down, that's not aimed at you specifically JJ but just generally.
I wouldn't expect to know everything that happens inside the club and people's personal and private thoughts just because i support the team, that's what a supporters association is for, to all ends and purposes.

seems to be abit of them v us mentality going on with the hgsa and those that dont go...not good when its supposed to be for the fans but its been like that since the hgsa started suppose, hgsa members coming on here saying they have inside info but cant say hardly encourages others to join

for what its worth i dont think by going to the meetings you get much more info than what the club/papers already give out anyway..can always read between the lines too

Again, things could have been handled better in some cases, and in some cases it does appear that we have "bodged" up, but again, that is just your opinion that the club messed up, for all we know the things you mention could have been solutions to bigger problems, for all we know, some of the things you mention could have been out of our hands? we don't know, we aren't told, and we don't really have a right to know, it's speculation and opinion as to who did or didn't do what.
I don't believe everything the club says, i have my own opinions and beliefs, i support the team and the club by buying season tickets,merchandise , which has been generally poor fayre!,and raising money for junior development via the HGSA. If i feel something isn't been done right or aren't happy with some aspect i will say so, but it just seems that too many people are looking for a blame for everything rather than support the club.
We've had a poor season but it's over now, as supporters, we need to back the coaches, the players and the club, not pull them apart at every opportunity.

First off, and without wanting to sound patronising - fair play to everyone for 'keeping it clean' in what is clearly an emotive issue for some. I have a couple of pointspeople ask for things not to be broadcast to the wider public, but anyone is able to come and see and hear the speakers'"

Thanks for your response jools, i feel you have just reinforces what i have been saying. You seem to be saying that basically the club is going nowhere because , We dont have lots of people volunteering their time besides their season ticket money, They haven't shunned any discounts in the way HKR fans have, The club have asked for support many times "quote " whilst paying people to run the club. So what we are left with is a muti-million pound business that is struggling along because it doesn't get enough volunteer help from the fans who are prepared to put more money into the club , Well there's a surprise, Once again It's not the baffling and bungling decisions made by the people running the club that is the whole problem, It's the lack of effort from the fans.

99% of fans , are just that, They pay their season ticket money or gate money and all they want is to watch a good match, They don't want to be blamed for the mess inside the club, I keep trying to tell people , If the corner shop fails, You don't blame the customer, you find out what you are doing wrong, If that turns out to be the staff, you get staff that do it right.

You say i should ring the club and ask what i could do to help, I have been there in the past jools, i have sponsored players i have taken ad space in Programs, I have done my bit, That was at a time when the club was really in need and the people who were running it then were putting far more on the line than i was.

What we have now is something very different, we have people running the club ( probably very well paid ) who are taking the club nowhere, It is as you say Mr Davy's club he can do as he wants, and as you also say, he will suffer the consequences, as will the fans, but at least they can just stop going, ( which they are doing) and for which they will ultimately get vilified for by some. If Mr Davy is happy with things, who are we to bother.

No- the club is going nowhere because people moan about and think because they pay to turn up that should give them a say in how it's run- without actually knowing how it IS run.
That's fine- if people don't want to get involved they don't have to- but don't then moan when it isn't being done the way you want!

This thread is depressing

Too many people being deliberately insulted and upset and comments


The club at times seem distant from the fans

HGSA bridges that gap, all is needed is a fiver subs and to go to meetings, but apparently that's not enough...you want it spoon feeding

Have mistakes been made? Of course, but we still have a super league club to support, will mistakes be made in future? Almost certainly, but it's going to do no good to argue with each other about it, not until we're directors of the club or significant investors

I wonder what would have happened if KD had given Tony Smith the money he wanted - i suspect he's spent it in spades since then

Well at least we have reached agreement on something jools. We both agree the club is going nowhere, You think It's because of moaning fans, I think It's because some people aren't up to the job. Progress of a sort.