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Well done on your win and sorry to slightly derail your thread (FWIW it's turned into one of ours, Wire only in reverse) but I'm looking for a bit of help with the official attendance, I can't see it reported anywhere and wasn't at Friday's game?

Good luck with the rest of your season always enjoyed my trips to your place, especially on train

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Quote: Baron Greenback "There's too much emotion involved on both sides. It turns into some sort of 'true fan' or RL knowledge competition. I see both sides, I see a club that I don't believe is very well run at a business level but has an honest manager and playing staff. I think the reality is that all is not well at the Giants. But regardless of that, the team should still be in the top 8s. I've also been around long enough to know what I think isn't that important anyway.'"


Couldn't agree more, It just seems to me that some people on here can't tolerate anyone else's opinion if it doesn't tally up with their own, They just brand it as negative, tell you , you are not a true fan, call people weirdo's, and now say some fans want the team to lose. And as a last resort Blame the fans for the misfortunes of the team/club when all they have done is turn up and pay their money. It is pathetic to say the least.
Better to start a Giants admiration society than a forum, where you can talk about how good things are compared to what they used to be, and when things are not so good , just defend anything and everything Giants, get behind the team when they are playing rubbish and wait for the Golden days that will surely come , and you are right, what you and me think don't matter diddly, except as a topic on here , and my efforts seem to upset some people , which defeats the point of a forum really.

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Quote: Uncle Rico "Well done on your win and sorry to slightly derail your thread (FWIW it's turned into one of ours, Wire only in reverse) but I'm looking for a bit of help with the official attendance, I can't see it reported anywhere and wasn't at Friday's game?

Good luck with the rest of your season always enjoyed my trips to your place, especially on train'"




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Quote: Jo Jumbuck "Couldn't agree more, It just seems to me that some people on here can't tolerate anyone else's opinion if it doesn't tally up with their own, They just brand it as negative, tell you , you are not a true fan, call people weirdo's, and now say some fans want the team to lose. And as a last resort Blame the fans for the misfortunes of the team/club when all they have done is turn up and pay their money. It is pathetic to say the least.
Better to start a Giants admiration society than a forum, where you can talk about how good things are compared to what they used to be, and when things are not so good , just defend anything and everything Giants, get behind the team when they are playing rubbish and wait for the Golden days that will surely come , and you are right, what you and me think don't matter diddly, except as a topic on here , and my efforts seem to upset some people , which defeats the point of a forum really.'"


Well Jumbuck there's a lot of sense in your post. None of us want anything but good for the club and team and when things go pear shaped because we care, most of us want to debate/talk with like minded people.

Whilst no one was more pleased than me we won on Friday it was one step forward after many steps back. There are a lot on here crowing saying we were wrong for been concerned and questioning the coach and club but Friday answers a couple of questions amongst many and I for one will continue to support and hopefully observe more steps in the right direction nothing would make me happier.

We are bottom still and have a long way to go to respectability and hopefully the next few games will change the perspective and my views on the past few weeks but I defend my right and those like me who will air our views in both good and bad times.

How that's disloyalty to the club beats me I've (including my Dad paying for me)probably including transport spent the thick end of £30,000 in my life time watching Fartown/Giants or worked full year to pay for my obsession.

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Thanks stella I can complete my marking on our board's miserable Prediction Comp from last week

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Quote: Jo Jumbuck "Couldn't agree more, It just seems to me that some people on here can't tolerate anyone else's opinion'"


Don't think thats quite the case, opinions perfectly fair isn't it. I'm sure we all care just as much as the next about the club but at times theres been some kind of scatter gun approach of blame to detriment of pure reason and logic. The conditioner has been blamed initially just because hes new essentially, players were unfit and fat apparently (no evidence offered) and its apparently an where players catch the coach, seriously!?

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That's what I was waiting for our young forwards to prove they could handle SL intensity.

What I saw before last weekend I was thinking they would be released and end up in the championship.

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Quote: fartown since 1961 "Well Jumbuck there's a lot of sense in your post. None of us want anything but good for the club and team and when things go pear shaped because we care, most of us want to debate/talk with like minded people.

Whilst no one was more pleased than me we won on Friday it was one step forward after many steps back. There are a lot on here crowing saying we were wrong for been concerned and questioning the coach and club but Friday answers a couple of questions amongst many and I for one will continue to support and hopefully observe more steps in the right direction nothing would make me happier.

We are bottom still and have a long way to go to respectability and hopefully the next few games will change the perspective and my views on the past few weeks but I defend my right and those like me who will air our views in both good and bad times.

How that's disloyalty to the club beats me I've (including my Dad paying for me)probably including transport spent the thick end of £30,000 in my life time watching Fartown/Giants or worked full year to pay for my obsession.'"


I don't believe any Giants fan wanted them to lose on Friday night, or any other night. Because of your opinions on the season and performances so far, that you have had the nerve to post, you are not a true fan" for some people it seems" no matter how much you have put into the club. As far as I'm concerned you are entitled to post your opinions for or against on any aspect of the club.

Friday night was a revelation after what we have been getting, It was certainly a good one too win, and might be the start of a good spell, Don't know what brought about the change but hope it keeps going, we shall see at Wigan.
I don't mind a loss if the effort is there, we usually play well against Wigan win or lose so who knows.

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Quote: Jo Jumbuck "I don't believe any Giants fan wanted them to lose on Friday night, or any other night. Because of your opinions on the season and performances so far, that you have had the nerve to post, you are not a true fan" for some people it seems" no matter how much you have put into the club. As far as I'm concerned you are entitled to post your opinions for or against on any aspect of the club.

Friday night was a revelation after what we have been getting, It was certainly a good one too win, and might be the start of a good spell, Don't know what brought about the change but hope it keeps going, we shall see at Wigan.
I don't mind a loss if the effort is there, we usually play well against Wigan win or lose so who knows.'"


what brought about the change was completing sets and cutting down the errors which meant we had more energy in the tank too going into the last quarter of which we had been losing most games.

now they will realise it works when they do this!

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Quote: onlyanorthernsoul "Don't think thats quite the case, opinions perfectly fair isn't it. I'm sure we all care just as much as the next about the club but at times theres been some kind of scatter gun approach of blame to detriment of pure reason and logic. The conditioner has been blamed initially just because hes new essentially, players were unfit and fat apparently (no evidence offered) and its apparently an where players catch the coach, seriously!?'"


I can see how it will have looked a bit like that lately, I haven't got involved about conditioning and bus riding myself, but to be honest they are I expect opinions and may well have some relevance to team moral, but I wouldn't argue that .

My own views are more about the PA discussion I am not taken by him as a coach, that's just my opinion, but if anyone asks me for evidence, I will say, look at our league position, Look at the quality of game we played for most of last season, tell me where our International standard players have gone.
All that will be washed over as irrelevant by a snowstorm of bad luck stories from some.

I have given PA plenty of credit for league position " based upon good defence " and I hope we get it back, He has rightly had lots of credit for the success we have had in finishing amongst the so called big boys, so is he now immune from any blame now we are nowhere.
I am not over bothered about league position unless we win the big one, I am more bothered about what we play like and what we look like on the field , particularly on TV.

But you are right we do all want the same thing, despite what some say, we just have different views about how to get there, but that doesn't mean anything for me, other than we agree to disagree

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Quote: brearley84 "what brought about the change was completing sets and cutting down the errors which meant we had more energy in the tank too going into the last quarter of which we had been losing most games.

now they will realise it works when they do this!'"


It may well be something just that simple, I really hope they do the same at Wigan, I don't care if we lose, " we are probably middle 8 now anyway ". but if they can get into their stride it can be nothing but good.

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Quote: brearley84 "what brought about the change was completing sets and cutting down the errors which meant we had more energy in the tank too going into the last quarter of which we had been losing most games.

now they will realise it works when they do this!'"


And controlling the ruck, rather than losing the floor and scrambling back to get onside every time!

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After being away on hols for 4 games before last Friday so not seeing any of those games, just reading the reports it did appear that we were folding in the last 10 minutes so I paid particular attention to the players fitness levels on Friday.
The only 2 things that stood out to me were, Ukuma who I know is not an 80 minute player, but he was clearly treading water for 5-10 minutes before he went off injured. This needs to be managed better and he should have been given a rest before the injury.
The other was Craig Huby, again I understand that he has just come back from injury and obviously I don't know what training he was doing during his time injured but he is clearly not very fit. He was shot at about 10 minutes and made it obvious when he kicked the ball into the crowd after we had forced an error and received a scrum. Another player, I think it was Woody rushed to get it so we could get on with the Scrum. Again I can see that this can be managed a bit better until he regains fitness, but I can also see the need for Huby to play longer minutes so I guess it's a hard decision for PA in terms of the game and I am only commenting on fitness levels.

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Quote: Jo Jumbuck "I can see how it will have looked a bit like that lately, I haven't got involved about conditioning and bus riding myself, but to be honest they are I expect opinions and may well have some relevance to team moral, but I wouldn't argue that .

My own views are more about the PA discussion I am not taken by him as a coach, that's just my opinion, but if anyone asks me for evidence, I will say, look at our league position, Look at the quality of game we played for most of last season, tell me where our International standard players have gone.
All that will be washed over as irrelevant by a snowstorm of bad luck stories from some.

I have given PA plenty of credit for league position " based upon good defence " and I hope we get it back, He has rightly had lots of credit for the success we have had in finishing amongst the so called big boys, so is he now immune from any blame now we are nowhere.
I am not over bothered about league position unless we win the big one, I am more bothered about what we play like and what we look like on the field , particularly on TV.

But you are right we do all want the same thing, despite what some say, we just have different views about how to get there, but that doesn't mean anything for me, other than we agree to disagree'"


I agree with most of your post. The reactions both to criticism and to last Friday's result to me are further indicators of our mentality of fans, which i believe also is one shared by the club. Because of our quick rise from the basement club of the RL in the 80's to superleague whipping boys in the noughties, and finally to contenders over the last 5 years our expectations are lower than other clubs with squads of similar standards. The fact is we HAVE underachieved over the last 5 years considering the strength of our squad during that period, but because we are always comparing with what came before we have a 'we are lucky even to be here' mentality which is holding the club back. Am i glad we won on Friday , of course, is a little bit of me annoyed that maybe if we had lost a few more we might have changed the coach.. honestly, yes. We now seem eternally grateful that *maybe* we wont be in the million pound playoff match... wow.

Fact is, we needed to be written off for a game before we could finally pull together a performance. Once the pressure was off (i.e. we were given no chance of winning top v bottom, underdog mentality) we could finally find the composure to not completely fold at the end of the match like we have been doing in all previous matches this year. In all those matches we lost in the last ten minutes, continually dropping the ball, bombing chances or letting in soft tries. Could PA change this mentality (the same mentality that cost us in playoff games time after time after time btw), no. It took an external factor to do this, as has often been the case for us, our small club mentality of a 'giantkilling' act needed to kick in mentally for us to do this.

I know i will get slated for my opinions, and that's fine, but at least it gives some people something to think about. Until we get a coach/management who can go about changing this smallclub mentality and make us BELIEVE we deserve to be where we have been over the last few years we will not progress. There's one good thing at least we wont have to sit through more cringeworthy capitulations in the playoffs this year, because i think we have all seen quite enough of that. We can continue to celebrate the hub-cap, and agree that it was a massive achievement 'because of where we used to be'. We need a total change of mentality that concentrates on the strength of our current squad and not an ingrained idea of our place in the RL pecking order as a yardstick for measuring success.

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Quote: raceman "After being away on hols for 4 games before last Friday so not seeing any of those games, just reading the reports it did appear that we were folding in the last 10 minutes so I paid particular attention to the players fitness levels on Friday.
The only 2 things that stood out to me were, Ukuma who I know is not an 80 minute player, but he was clearly treading water for 5-10 minutes before he went off injured. This needs to be managed better and he should have been given a rest before the injury.
The other was Craig Huby, again I understand that he has just come back from injury and obviously I don't know what training he was doing during his time injured but he is clearly not very fit. He was shot at about 10 minutes and made it obvious when he kicked the ball into the crowd after we had forced an error and received a scrum. Another player, I think it was Woody rushed to get it so we could get on with the Scrum. Again I can see that this can be managed a bit better until he regains fitness, but I can also see the need for Huby to play longer minutes so I guess it's a hard decision for PA in terms of the game and I am only commenting on fitness levels.'"


Huby has already said that he isn't quite match fit yet. He probably missed a large chunk of preseason due to all the shenanigans just before Christmas and then had surgery. I disagree that taai isn't an 80 minute player- he's capable of it he's certainly capable of 60 minutes. Look at how much work taai puts in- consistently one of our top tacklers and carriers of the ball. He's not the machine Lawrence is but he's no slouch!

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