Quote: Baron Greenback "You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything?'" For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

Quote: Baron Greenback "You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything?'" For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

we can't afford to buy players!

only way we can do that is by people coming to games and contributing towards the finances.

What is frustrating is we are a finger tip away from being part of the elite in RL. This so close but no cigar won't go on forever. Either we will make it or we slip down. Unless we grab this opportunity with both hands I fear we will do the latter and slip down, really hope I am wrong.

The backroom staff at the club do an outstanding job - especially considereing how many there are.

Leeds have a backroom staff of 150 [according to Garry Hetherington]. We have perhaps a tenth of that figure.

Agree with Ivor, James Brammer, for instance has a marketing team of just 2 now whereas before it was 8..these kind of cuts had to come due to the crowds not coming and the need to save money.

If any of you people are unhappy then please feel free to join the HGSA and give us (and the club) any ideas you may have for improving things, the club do meet with us and listen to us so it could be your chance to get your thoughts and ideas through to them ! - that was a genuine offer by the way not a condescending dig at anyone. We are all frustrated that we have lost out again, the lack of crowds, the lack of world class players - we have to be patient and let the club build in its own time ...yes it may take a while but as supporters isn't it always worth the wait after seeing failure ?.

It's pretty straightforward IMO. They have to grasp the nettle and spend some more money. Saying it can't be afforded is essentially admitting defeat. Otherwise the current trend with respect to crowd numbers isn't got to be reversed. These people may do a great job "all things considered" but it's not getting the desired end result. They should really smash it and if that doesn't work they know the people of Huddersfield don't really want a SL team. A half d effort for another 10 years is probably more expensive than 3 years of all out aggressive, strategic marketing. IMO obviously.

All this

Agree, we do need to speculate to accumulate. I've even suggested and offered many time to let the fans do the marketing if the club cannot afford it...i'm sure plenty of us would be willing to deliver leaflets, stick posters up, hand out flyers in town etc.

as i've said repeatedly, we are punching above our weight, we simply cannot match Leeds, Wigan, saints, Warrington, Hull, catalans for finances, crowds, marketing, but yet we are consistently challenging at the top unlike,say hull, who seem to struggle.

we can only go so far on our limited finances, we lose money as a club every year, so we obviously aren't able to bring in a whole raft of backroom staff, as IVOR says, Leeds have over 150 members of their backroom staff, we have less than 40 IIRC.

we are all frustrated at the perceived lack of ambition, but it's not ambition that is holding us back, or the people running the club, it's the lack of finances.

players are given contracts who aren't good enough, well they are good enough according to the people who run the club otherwise they wouldn't sign players, we can't just "get rid" of players as people suggest, we can't just "get people in".

i agree that we are probably 3/4 very good players short of being a very good team that is able to go that next step, but if we cant afford those players then what? why do Wakefield struggle every year? why have Bradford gone downhill?? because they have no money to get better players in!

It's quite predictable the way that if you criticize the Giants, you immediately get told what Leeds or Wigan etc have got, what they have got has nothing to do with the Giants, and it inevitably leads on to the " we are punching above our weight"

They certainly do Ivor, Lets look at some of their triumphs, The ludicrous way in which Mason was got rid of, We all know how that ended up including the judge who found in favour of Mason, What was the final cost ? half a million was it, That would have bought a decent Halfback.

The shifty behind the scenes dealing with Kopczak, Fined again, pay up to Bradford.

The getting rid of Hodgson, the best player at Huddersfield for half a century, not worth 2years at the Giants , let Warrington have him for 3 years, Great move.

The Double shuffle with drew, another classy player who wasn't worth 2 years, but eventually became so 2 years later. Ditto Kyle wood, let him go not needed, get him back essential part of our squad.

Now we have L Patrick coming back from loan, Fair enough, the club are saying he will be an improved player, are we now saying then that Wigan and Wakefield improve the players they get from us, they get better coaching and improve their game, Mmm.

Now the latest fine by the RFL for breaching the rules on player welfare.

And while all this doing a good job is going on , the crowds continue to fall.

I think I see where you are coming from Ivor, They probably deserve a pay rise.

Can some mods do some modding and please do something about this thread - which has several pages NOT about Kyle wood.

I'm not saying that this debate shouldn't continue- but perhaps under a different title thread???

Jools - it was one of the mods that caused the thread drift !